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Re: Starlink Premium

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Post by oxplot »

freeopinion wrote: post #83
Someone1234 wrote: post #6

The: > UNLIMITED SERVICE LOCATIONS Almost seems designed to get people's hopes up only to squash them again. What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. Announcing that: > Order as many Starlinks as needed and manage all of your service locations, no matter how remote, from a single account. Is niche, and is only going to confuse peo…

The number of people who have a summer home is extremely high. Having two dishes, or one dish that can be used from two set points is very attractive. Lots of people spend the summer "at the cabin" even when the cabin isn't in the Hamptons. Or they may live out of a motor home, but it only moves to travel between their regular winter destination and their regular summer destination. They stay in the same two parks al…

> one dish that can be used from two set points is very attractive

You can do that today with the cheaper dish! See my sibling comment.

Re: Starlink Premium

#192

Post by robga »

“Unlimited Service Locations. Order as many Starlinks as needed”

Does this mean I could have 3 on a property to triple bandwidth? If 1 per property, could I have my neighbours hang together? (High density, 10M between 3 dishes).

Re: Starlink Premium

#193

Post by ale42 »

plugger wrote: post #176
mdasen wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this seem aimed at the enterprise market (besides the price tag)? From what I've seen, Starlink uses CGNAT (carrier grade network address translation) so it's hard to handle incoming connections (given the lack of a public IP address). CGNAT seems like it would be a problem for enterprise customers. Would this be enterprises in cities where they'd be looking for a backup for a wired connection? I know that a…

How many enterprises are running their own DCs these days? Very few from what I see. Cloud for your services, StarLink for individual office premises. Sounds fine to me.

Many small enterprises probably aren't. But the CGNAT problem can be solved by a VPN seamlessly connecting to the rest of the enterprise network, for those companies that need incoming connectivity (might be for remote maintenance, for example).

Re: Starlink Premium

#194

Post by oxplot »

tzs wrote: post #77

My understanding is that the Starlink antenna uses a phased array allowing some electronic steering and that it has motors for physically steering it. The physical steering is just done at setup time to point the antenna in the right general direction for your location and the the phased array is used for actually tracking satellites. A back of the envelope calculation tells me that when they have all their satellite…

No need to guess: https://starlink.sx/ has already done an amazing job visualizing live views of this.

And here's an interview with the guy who made it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUoUiiRAjPo

Re: Starlink Premium

#195

Post by iptrans »

I can see this being used for backhaul in remote areas.

There’s a bit of a risk for adverse selection, as anybody willing to spend $500 per month on this is going to want to get their money's worth.

Re: Starlink Premium

#197

Post by bryanlarsen »

shaklee3 wrote: post #181
bryanlarsen wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will definitely eventually be cheaper options. But not for a while and likely not in America. The satellites are unused over Africa etc, and they can't pay $100 per month. But until the manufacturing cost of the dishes comes down, a cheaper option is unlikely.

I don't agree with that. the likelihood of them reducing the cost of the antenna to what it needs to be in Africa is close to 0. even legacy satellite providers, with terminals that are 1/5 the cost cannot do it. and those aren't phased array

The legacy providers can't provide slower internet for less money because their slowest package is already unusable.

Re: Starlink Premium

#198

Post by yoz-y »

kisstheblade wrote: post #196

Does this make starlink any more feasible? I thought that the math just doesn't work out. Not to mention the massive amount of space garbage (40k satellites replaced every 5 years?) See for example a "busted" video https://youtu.be/zaUCDZ9d09Y?t=912

I doubt it. At this price basically the only customers are in rural US and CA. And, by definition, this is not very many people.

Re: Starlink Premium

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #189
adhesive_wombat wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal strength and channel bandwidth are only partially related. You could blast out a 100Hz-BW CW signal at 1MW, but you will not be able to send much on it, even if you can receive it from the Moon. There are other limits too, like channel concurrency, which you can see in action in places like busy stations or stadia where your phone can't connect and your Bluetooth headphones become unreliable. I don't know how…

it looks like their previous satellites (v1.0) were 18Gbps. I haven't found anything for v1.5 which is currently deployed, or v2.0 which theoretically are starting to launch this year.

Yes, but that is presumably not a maximum of 18 billion users at 1 bps, nor a maximum of 1 user at 18Gbps.

Re: Starlink Premium

#200

Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #197
shaklee3 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with that. the likelihood of them reducing the cost of the antenna to what it needs to be in Africa is close to 0. even legacy satellite providers, with terminals that are 1/5 the cost cannot do it. and those aren't phased array

The legacy providers can't provide slower internet for less money because their slowest package is already unusable.

and so is their fastest package
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