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While at the same time reminding them that that world and the ad world don’t colide?
I’d say most people who searched for their colleague’s presentation wont give two shits if google retains it.
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In summary, no one trusts your employer any more no matter what they say. > Search history can be immensely useful for our users See the various comments spread across all HN articles stating that Google Search has become useless.
Is that true for Google Workspace search?
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Your comments and the email both are written like nobody really wants tracking off, at least not if they know what’s good for them. Is that what you believe?
I think "tracking" is a bit misleading here. It's product (search) usage activity. None of the Workspace data you provide is ever used outside of Workspace, nor is it used for any other purpose than for the benefit of you and your users (we can't create machine learning models from your data to improve the experience for other customers, for example, without your prior consent), and that data is never used for ads.
But when you do its there ready and waiting.
I find it staggering how normalised privacy abuse has become with big tech.
Hello hello, PM for the feature checking in here. amf12's reply is quite on-point. Web and App Activity is designed to store search activity across all Google services, and we're splitting Workspace data out since it's governed by strict data handling guarantees, with the hope that more people will feel comfortable getting the benefits of better search in Workspace without having to opt-into search history being trac…
> the somewhat confusingly named Web and App Activity
You know what is confusing ? re-enabling things with a new name on top of it, despite users disabling it before.
Hello hello, PM for the feature checking in here. amf12's reply is quite on-point. Web and App Activity is designed to store search activity across all Google services, and we're splitting Workspace data out since it's governed by strict data handling guarantees, with the hope that more people will feel comfortable getting the benefits of better search in Workspace without having to opt-into search history being trac…
I call bulls*t here. Facebook has a long history of change-the-name-of-the-setting-and-the-new-flag-defaults-to-ON as a method of changing users' settings back to what facebook would prefer. Excuses aside, it looks like the same thing from google.
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Can you please clarify what you mean and why you think this? Whether from a lack of experience with how these things can go badly, or from a lack of good faith in trying to understand others' concerns, it sounds like you simply don't understand why people would have issues with this. But you haven't clarified what your comments that, from my perspective, appear to be even more reactionary than the people you're accus…
> This is a bad feature that should not be turned on by default.
Opine. Stating it matter-of-factly doesn't make it fact.
> You're effectively enabling the ease of search warrants of journalists and activists' search history
Here you pull the "think of the children!" card. All those poor journalists and activists using Workspaces. Your response is to bring up politically vulnerable outlier groups and parade them around to satisfy your own need to express moral outrage.
> it sounds like you simply don't understand why people would have issues with this
I don't understand why people want to be outraged for the sake of being outraged. It's becoming exhausting.
Hello hello, PM for the feature checking in here. amf12's reply is quite on-point. Web and App Activity is designed to store search activity across all Google services, and we're splitting Workspace data out since it's governed by strict data handling guarantees, with the hope that more people will feel comfortable getting the benefits of better search in Workspace without having to opt-into search history being trac…
Your comments and the email both are written like nobody really wants tracking off, at least not if they know what’s good for them. Is that what you believe?
Somewhere between paternalism and conniving. For those working at Big Tech it seems there can be no such thing as a conflict of interest between the company and a user (ad target).
Google workers spend their time devising ways to collect more user data. If some users spend their time devising ways to minimise the data they are sharing, how can the company's interests and the user's interests be aligned. They cannot. Google workers can try to convince users that there no harm in sharing more data with Google, even claiming it will benefit them to do so. They are basically downplaying the user's interests. There is no negotiation. Google will never contemplate the notion of collecting less data.
Hello hello, PM for the feature checking in here. amf12's reply is quite on-point. Web and App Activity is designed to store search activity across all Google services, and we're splitting Workspace data out since it's governed by strict data handling guarantees, with the hope that more people will feel comfortable getting the benefits of better search in Workspace without having to opt-into search history being trac…
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Can you please clarify what you mean and why you think this? Whether from a lack of experience with how these things can go badly, or from a lack of good faith in trying to understand others' concerns, it sounds like you simply don't understand why people would have issues with this. But you haven't clarified what your comments that, from my perspective, appear to be even more reactionary than the people you're accus…
Let's start with your earlier comments. > This is a bad feature that should not be turned on by default. Opine. Stating it matter-of-factly doesn't make it fact. > You're effectively enabling the ease of search warrants of journalists and activists' search history Here you pull the "think of the children!" card. All those poor journalists and activists using Workspaces. Your response is to bring up politically vulner…
What's exhausting is having to keep up to date with how to continue turning off these awful "features" and arguing about how we don't want these features for the billionth time.
Hello hello, PM for the feature checking in here. amf12's reply is quite on-point. Web and App Activity is designed to store search activity across all Google services, and we're splitting Workspace data out since it's governed by strict data handling guarantees, with the hope that more people will feel comfortable getting the benefits of better search in Workspace without having to opt-into search history being trac…
By all means do your job, and hit your metrics. But this is just a dark pattern, which comes up with some new product boundaries so you can default these settings back to on.
There's a certain arrogance to coming into HN of all places and offering a sales explanation that it's actually in our benefit.