What a difficult city to drive in, too. There are many "unexpected" pedestrians, bicyclists, skateboarders, and people staggering about in every direction. I avoid driving in SF as much as possible.
Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco
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Or treat that turn restriction as applying 100% of the time.
And now we’re already making concessions about the car’s abilities. There are 10 MPH speed limit signs on Market Street in SF that specify in incredibly small text “when behind trolleys”. Assuming we take your approach, the car will just always go down market at 10 MPH. Imagine if it’s a negative turn restriction - IE, it’s permitting turns except for during certain hours and conditions. Now the car is treating it as…
And now your moving the goalposts. We are talking extreme edge cases in some random small town not common signs in a major city. They can always get updates on what some random sign in some random location means as long as their safe and don’t block traffic that’s all that’s needed.
Also, negative restrictions can again default to full restrictions. Permitting a car to say park in a snow lane doesn’t require a car to park in the snow lane.
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#464Anyone want to take bets on how long this lasts?
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#465I still want to know who goes to prison when a pedestrian or cyclist is killed. Because no-one is arguing someone will be killed, only that "human drivers kill people too" or "machines will kill fewer, eventually". Will it be the passenger? The coder for bad code? The person who assembled the hardware for improperly tested malfunctioning sensors? The person who made the malfunctioning sensors? Who? Because someone is…
Unless the driver is drunk, has malice, or willfully breaking a bunch of other rules, I don’t think they go to prison now.
If someone is playing with their phone and they kill someone, they are doing prison time.
No "oops oh well, I'll do better next time, sorry you're dead but it's your fault for being there". 2+ ton machine, willful negligence.
There's even a connection log with handy timestamps proving the phone was in use.
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#466The next thing is a driverless car and a driverless bus “docking” at speed, so you can change vehicle without affecting your trip time. Economics will outcompete 50 self-driving cars going in the same direction for 30min when you could have one driverless-bus doing the same. If this transition is smooth and fast, think what this will do to traveling time, car prices and property prices. How far can you travel without…
We have public transit right now. All we need to do is to not stigmatize its users.
With the urban sprawl in the US you frequently will need to at least change vehicle once and that will likely involve a substantial wait and might involve a walk at least on one end. This quickly can turn what could take 15-20 minutes into a hour or more. A docking model as the parent suggest might address this.
I'm also gonna go out there and say what many are afraid to talk about openly. When I used to commute by public transit in SF the crowd frequently wasn't pleasant as a whole. There were a lot of very nice people going to work, but there also were a lot of folks who caused problems for others. People with mental illnesses, people who seemed to not have access to showers and folks who were just generally quite roudy. There were days were I wished that there was a separate compartment that's exactly identical but costs $0.5 more. I feel guilty that I wanted that, but I think that's just the reality of life in a country with such a unequal society. I think this is one of the reasons why public transit works better in countries with more wealth redistribution and a stronger social system.
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Does it really matter? If there's no Elon, there's no SpaceX. And I say this as someone that doesn't buy into the founder cult.
> If there's no Elon, there's no SpaceX. Why not? What mystical gift does this one person have that 7 billion other people don't, that permits him and only him to run the company? This is a really unpopular opinion on a web site that exalts founders, but I don't think it really takes much special skill to run a company. Most (but admittedly not all) CEOs are in their position not because of their know-how, but becaus…
I'm sure there are lots of other people out there who could run today's SpaceX as a space cargo trucking company. But Elon deserves the credit for creating two wildly successful companies that revolutionized their respective industries, both in the face of hugely entrenched competitors in highly regulated markets that hadn't seen successful new players in decades, and both as a side effect of his actual goal of getting humans to Mars.
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#468I still want to know who goes to prison when a pedestrian or cyclist is killed. Because no-one is arguing someone will be killed, only that "human drivers kill people too" or "machines will kill fewer, eventually". Will it be the passenger? The coder for bad code? The person who assembled the hardware for improperly tested malfunctioning sensors? The person who made the malfunctioning sensors? Who? Because someone is…
Unless the driver is drunk, has malice, or willfully breaking a bunch of other rules, I don’t think they go to prison now.
Virtually all auto accidents in which a third-party fatality occurs result in criminal liability.
It's extremely rare for a third-party fatality in an auto accident to be caused by something other than criminal negligence or intent.
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#469Based on this image: https://images.ctfassets.net/95kuvdv8zn1v/6h1C7lPC79OLOlddEE... They and their VC backers are clearly betting on the concept that radars + lidar + imaging will be the ultimate successful solution in full self driving cars, as a completely opposite design and engineering philosophy from Tesla attempting to do "full self driving" with camera sensors and categorical rejection of lidar. It is interes…
They are betting that hardware combination is the fastest to market, given the constraints of today software. When the ml stack is capable of leveraging purely camera sensors, Cruise and others like them, own the fleet and can swap out the hardware. Tesla does not "own" the fleet per se. So perhaps its different bets on which cars will still be on the road when the ML threshold is crossed.
Also you can't sell sexy Teslas if they have ugly lidars on top.
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How does a human identify obstacles, VRUs [0], and other cars? 0: vulnerable road users, eg pedestrians and bicyclists
How does a bird fly? For human flight, we borrowed the wings, but made them fixed and added propellers, to cheat the mechanical incompetence. I wouldn't be shocked that radar/lidar/sonar/whatever sensors are what it takes to cover the incompetence in matching human brain+vision. Heck, use multiple "brains" and give each veto power on moving the vehicle. Supposing that stopping doesn't kill you, that would at most fre…
Forget birds, insects do it, with vision and puny brains.