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Re: Starlink Premium

#131
This is going to cost all of us, money and a whole lot more, once his space junk triggers the Kessler effect (or accelerates, because many think it is already slowly under way, but the growth is exponential).

Ground astronomy is already "ruined", thanks to Starlink: IIRC from something I read recently, what used to be fraction of the percent of plates ruined by satellites right before Starlink, now has risen to astounding 20%.

Re: Starlink Premium

#132

The: > UNLIMITED SERVICE LOCATIONS Almost seems designed to get people's hopes up only to squash them again. What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. Announcing that: > Order as many Starlinks as needed and manage all of your service locations, no matter how remote, from a single account. Is niche, and is only going to confuse peo…

The number of people who have a summer home is extremely high. Having two dishes, or one dish that can be used from two set points is very attractive. Lots of people spend the summer "at the cabin" even when the cabin isn't in the Hamptons. Or they may live out of a motor home, but it only moves to travel between their regular winter destination and their regular summer destination. They stay in the same two parks al…

> According to NAHB estimates, the total count of second homes was 7.5 million

https://eyeonhousing.org/2020/10/nations-stock-of-second-hom...

> The United States had an official resident population of 331,449,281 on April 1, 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State... https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data...

I'm not saying 7.5M isn't a market that might be worth chasing, but at the same time, I would hardly call 2% of the population "extremely high".

Re: Starlink Premium

#133
post #118

$500 deposit, $2500 total cost for the dish, $500/mo for the service. Looks like it's targeting the enterprise market. The dish cost is probably closer to the actual value of the dish. The original dish we bought for $500 I think I read actually cost closer to $3k for them to manufacture (I'm not an expert on this)? Regular service is $500 for a dish and $99 a month which is a great deal for 50-200mbps at pretty low…

Why does this seem aimed at the enterprise market (besides the price tag)? From what I've seen, Starlink uses CGNAT (carrier grade network address translation) so it's hard to handle incoming connections (given the lack of a public IP address). CGNAT seems like it would be a problem for enterprise customers. Would this be enterprises in cities where they'd be looking for a backup for a wired connection? I know that a…

From the page:

> Unlimited Service Locations: Starlink is ideal for rural and remote locations. Order as many Starlinks as needed and manage all of your service locations, no matter how remote, from a single account.

This screams corp fleet management of the equipment, similar to SSO price segmentation.

Re: Starlink Premium

#134

A tangent: it's honestly really disappointing to me that Starlink requires proprietary equipment to use. High-speed, low-latency satellite internet would've been a real game-changer in countries where the government seeks to control information flow by blocking websites and online services. But because you need the proprietary dish made specifically for Starlink, they'll of course just restrict import of these.

Are generic phased array antennas available in those markets?

Re: Starlink Premium

#135

A tangent: it's honestly really disappointing to me that Starlink requires proprietary equipment to use. High-speed, low-latency satellite internet would've been a real game-changer in countries where the government seeks to control information flow by blocking websites and online services. But because you need the proprietary dish made specifically for Starlink, they'll of course just restrict import of these.

Maybe when the open source community successfully executes manned space missions, we can free ourselves from the tyranny of proprietary satellite technology…

Re: Starlink Premium

#136
post #118

$500 deposit, $2500 total cost for the dish, $500/mo for the service. Looks like it's targeting the enterprise market. The dish cost is probably closer to the actual value of the dish. The original dish we bought for $500 I think I read actually cost closer to $3k for them to manufacture (I'm not an expert on this)? Regular service is $500 for a dish and $99 a month which is a great deal for 50-200mbps at pretty low…

Why does this seem aimed at the enterprise market (besides the price tag)? From what I've seen, Starlink uses CGNAT (carrier grade network address translation) so it's hard to handle incoming connections (given the lack of a public IP address). CGNAT seems like it would be a problem for enterprise customers. Would this be enterprises in cities where they'd be looking for a backup for a wired connection? I know that a…

The cost paired with this copy: “enabling high throughput connectivity for small offices, storefronts, and super users across the globe.”

It’s 5x the price of standard Starlink (both for the hardware and the monthly cost). Won’t be worth it for most regular users imo when standard Starlink is quite good.

I’d pay $150/mo easily and maybe $200/mo for premium, but not $500/mo.

There’s also currently no way to order one from your current account if you have regular Starlink, you have to use a different email (also suggests targeting different market).

Re: Starlink Premium

#137
post #118

$500 deposit, $2500 total cost for the dish, $500/mo for the service. Looks like it's targeting the enterprise market. The dish cost is probably closer to the actual value of the dish. The original dish we bought for $500 I think I read actually cost closer to $3k for them to manufacture (I'm not an expert on this)? Regular service is $500 for a dish and $99 a month which is a great deal for 50-200mbps at pretty low…

Why does this seem aimed at the enterprise market (besides the price tag)? From what I've seen, Starlink uses CGNAT (carrier grade network address translation) so it's hard to handle incoming connections (given the lack of a public IP address). CGNAT seems like it would be a problem for enterprise customers. Would this be enterprises in cities where they'd be looking for a backup for a wired connection? I know that a…

They say in their support topics that they may support publicly routable IPs in the future, so it looks like they may change that. But not all enterprise use-cases require inbound traffic, or they may require the bandwidth and low-latency even more, and can workaround the CGNAT in the meantime.

Re: Starlink Premium

#139
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this seem aimed at the enterprise market (besides the price tag)? From what I've seen, Starlink uses CGNAT (carrier grade network address translation) so it's hard to handle incoming connections (given the lack of a public IP address). CGNAT seems like it would be a problem for enterprise customers. Would this be enterprises in cities where they'd be looking for a backup for a wired connection? I know that a…

From the page: > Unlimited Service Locations: Starlink is ideal for rural and remote locations. Order as many Starlinks as needed and manage all of your service locations, no matter how remote, from a single account. This screams corp fleet management of the equipment, similar to SSO price segmentation.

Ah I missed this bit, yeah that’s definitely what they’re going for.
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