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Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by gxs »

mwattsun wrote: post #326
minwcnt5 wrote: post #316

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It is not a "course", the employees request to be picked up and dropped off anywhere in the city, just like requesting an Uber/Lyft ride.

Well, that's surprising. I've driven San Francisco as an Uber/Lyft driver and it's a nightmare. I'm really curious how it checks for side traffic when it's nose is pointed at the sky at a stop sign on a steep hill.

It might actually do a lot better than you and I. Remember, it's equipped with radar so it can probably see cars the next block over.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by IMcD23 »

wearhere wrote: post #258

This headline may technically be correct, but it sure does suggest a bit more than what's being offered. "We're opening a sign-up page on our site"?? And (below [1]) Kyle mentions geofences? How much of the public plans rides in advance, for a limited service area, via the web? I want to hear when these services finally have the capability and capacity to match the experience of Uber and Lyft: get a ride when and whe…

The form asks which mobile device OS you use. Where did you hear that this is only something you must book via the web?

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Post by grayfaced »

hammock wrote: post #336
user3939382 wrote: post #127

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My conclusion from years of self-driving, LIDAR, etc. research is that managing medium to heavy precipitation reliably might be impossible. Visual algorithms run into the same problem as human brains, and the size of e.g. rain drops interferes with the frequencies employed by radio techniques. Is anyone aware of any strategies that give us hope in solving this problem?

Airplanes couldn't fly in inclement weather for decades. Took a while but we solved it. "Oops it's pouring, can't get a Cruise, gotta fall back to an Uber" doesn't sound that terrible to me, for now. Cruise could even offer a product that compensates/insures you for that eventuality, if for example Cruise was your primary vehicle.

But if self-driving succeeds then there won't be enough gig-drivers ready-to-go to cover a self-driving outage.

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Post by fomine3 »

soaxre wrote: post #233
rootusrootus wrote: post #149

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> How does a human identify With the most complex, context-aware, intuitive computer in existence. In addition to eyeballs that are dramatically more capable than any camera Tesla is using.

Have you ever used night mode on your phone? It looks nothing like what you are taking in terms of colours, but it shows a lot more detail than the human eye can pick up. Same thing with zoom cameras. Also there are more cameras than eyes, and in better spots.

Have you ever used night mode on your phone while driving on 60mph at night? It's basically sophisticated long exposure that won't work for driving.

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Post by pishpash »

astrange wrote: post #354
julienb_sea wrote: post #261

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Buses and subways cannot operate door to door. That is a fundamental service restriction which will always create a need for personal transit. People with accessibility needs, safety concerns or timing restrictions create a legitimate and important market for door-to-door personal transportation. Buses are also inherently less efficient outside of peak operating hours. Why should we operate a fleet of million-dollar,…

You should visit Tokyo when they let you back in. If your city lets you get a car up to every door, it's not dense enough.

Do Tokyo'ians enjoy being packed like sardines, other than the fact that they have no choice over it?

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Post by LegitShady »

idontwantthis wrote: post #359
LegitShady wrote: post #205

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In Lex fridmans interview with George Hotz, hots talks about why he thinks radar AI is a non starter and predicted that even though Tesla was still adamant about using their radar, they would eventually realize they only needed cameras. Hotz is the founder of comma.ai which is doing open source (I think?) Company.

Didn’t Hotz publicly give up on self driving and say driver assistance is all that will ever be possible?

If its what I think you're saying, he mentioned that its a question of liability.

If your car is 'driver assistance' then you don't have liability for accidents. If your car is 'self driving' then now you're going to get sued every accident.

So instead you're always 'driver assistance' just from the risk analysis perspective.

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Post by pishpash »

bduerst wrote: post #227
mlindner wrote: post #163

I'm not interested in cars I can't own. This idea that we'll turn cars into some kind of service and convert roads into places filled with company-owned vehicles is completely foreign. At that point it'd be cheaper to have self-driving buses and subways. I can only think this viewpoint comes from people who have only ever lived in cities where car ownership is inconvenient given the lack of personal garages. At the m…

Cars are large, depreciating assets that spend the vast majority of their product lifecycle doing nothing. Conversely, metropolitan areas have to dedicate up to half their available space to empty blacktop storing these unused assets that sit around doing nothing. The sooner we solve on-demand transportation at scale without requiring a human driver the sooner we can move away from this colossal degree of waste.

By this logic you should promote trailer parks.

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Post by umeshunni »

waffle_maniac wrote: post #153
yupper32 wrote: post #152

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> I think Karpathy will be fired this year if his team can't achieve at least L4. Ah so Karpathy will be fired this year. Because they're not reaching L4. FSD isn't even L3 yet.

“I would be shocked if we do not achieve Full Self-Driving safer than human this year. I would be shocked.” -- Elon Musk He set the milestone.

What comes first? Tesla FSD or the year of the Linux Desktop
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