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Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by aidenn0 »

bhelkey wrote: post #174
globalise83 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone whose first task on buying a new laptop every ten years is to install the latest Ubuntu LTS version, a company which makes machines that work perfectly with Ubuntu and have a life of around 10 years will have me as a customer for life.

If you are a 38 year old man, actuarial tables suggest that this translates to 4 more laptops over 40 years[1]. I believe their point is that this does not make you a particularly valuable customer. I would argue that there is value in a brand that consumers trust to last for a long time. For example, if Framework launched a printer, you might be tempted to pay a premium for a product you knew was high quality and re…

Exactly; I have friends who buy a new laptop every other year; they are not concerned with longevity or upgradability so the framework could only attract them through increased customization options, which is a harder sell.

If they buy from Dell, and I buy from Framework, Dell sells 5x as many laptops.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by rcthompson »

pjerem wrote: post #179
pkulak wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But I also feel like 2x is inherently better than 1.7x. I'm not a graphics expert, but there's gotta be a reason Apple has stuck to 2x at all costs with every machine they've made for the last 8 years.

I’m not sure of what you meant but Apple supports fractional scaling since Retina screens appeared a decade ago. And it supports it really well. It’s absolutely not stuck at 2x.

Weirdly, X11 fractional scaling essentially does the same thing as Apple and works reasonably well, but Wayland's fractional scaling doesn't and looks like garbage as a result.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by rcthompson »

sudosysgen wrote: post #161

The Frameworks are really good. However, the chips inside are disappointing, IMO. I was considering the i5 1135g7 Framework with 16gb of RAM. A friend of mine bought it, and it's idle power draw is of 8-9W with Gnome 3 and Firefox open. I decided to get a laptop with a 5800H and an RTX 3070 instead. My power consumption as I'm typing this comment right now is of 7W with a dozen tabs and an IDE, messaging, etc... open…

Supposedly it's possible to get the idle power draw down to around 2.5W, but it requires some very up-to-date kernel features.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by sudosysgen »

rcthompson wrote: post #183
sudosysgen wrote: post #161

The Frameworks are really good. However, the chips inside are disappointing, IMO. I was considering the i5 1135g7 Framework with 16gb of RAM. A friend of mine bought it, and it's idle power draw is of 8-9W with Gnome 3 and Firefox open. I decided to get a laptop with a 5800H and an RTX 3070 instead. My power consumption as I'm typing this comment right now is of 7W with a dozen tabs and an IDE, messaging, etc... open…

Supposedly it's possible to get the idle power draw down to around 2.5W, but it requires some very up-to-date kernel features.

That is I/O dependent, apparently. If you use the wrong peripheral cards, it seems you're SOL

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by sudosysgen »

gorjusborg wrote: post #180
sudosysgen wrote: post #161

The Frameworks are really good. However, the chips inside are disappointing, IMO. I was considering the i5 1135g7 Framework with 16gb of RAM. A friend of mine bought it, and it's idle power draw is of 8-9W with Gnome 3 and Firefox open. I decided to get a laptop with a 5800H and an RTX 3070 instead. My power consumption as I'm typing this comment right now is of 7W with a dozen tabs and an IDE, messaging, etc... open…

My hope is that they release an ARM mainboard, so I can swap it in. For now though, I'd rather buy from them than the fruit company.

I mean, It's not just ARM. There are plenty of x86 laptops that can get 13-14 hours of battery life under light use.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by pkulak »

pjerem wrote: post #179
pkulak wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But I also feel like 2x is inherently better than 1.7x. I'm not a graphics expert, but there's gotta be a reason Apple has stuck to 2x at all costs with every machine they've made for the last 8 years.

I’m not sure of what you meant but Apple supports fractional scaling since Retina screens appeared a decade ago. And it supports it really well. It’s absolutely not stuck at 2x.

Last I checked, for fractional scaling, Apple was 2xing, then using the GPU to resize down. Could have changed by now though. Been a while since I took a look.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by neilfrndes »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #105
Sebb767 wrote: post #11

> We’re not ready to share what the next products are just yet, but this funding unlocks categories even more ambitious than our first one. We have a detailed plan in place for the next two years and napkin sketch ideas going out a couple of decades. It'll be really interesting to see where they go next. Given that they're already in computer and custom board space, I'd make a guess that it's going to be routers - si…

I hope they start by offering larger laptops - I tend to prefer 17". I was looking at Framework when buying a new laptop last year but as they only offered the smaller model (and weren't shipping to the EU at the time) I went with a Dell. Obviously I hope my current laptop lasts as long as possible but if/when it gives up the ghost I would be very interested in buying a Framework if they are offering a 17" by then.

This is what's preventing me from pulling the trigger. 15" or larger would be great for me.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by mixmastamyk »

torginus wrote: post #41
deltron3030 wrote: post #6

Is there a miniature ASIO soundcard planned for one of the slots? Not needing to carry an external audio interface around when working within a DAW is a major factor that's keeping me on MacOS (both pro audio and consumer use the same driver there).

Do people not remember that these things existed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card You could get standardised addons for laptops, but I guess they disappeared due to lack of interest/better alternatives. It's weird how the world goes around in circles.

I had those, but think framework’s design with a flat face for the port is a better design. For example one of my cards was the xylink? ether card with full-size port was the most useful. Looked like this: https://eu.dlink.com/pl/pl/-/media/product-pages/dfe/670txd/...

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by ayushnix »

geoffeg wrote: post #57
andrewgioia wrote: post #8

Love my Framework. Barring Apple's recent move away from the touchbar it's honestly the first machine I've been excited about in 6 or so years. The build quality is great, love the simplicity and design of the expansion ports, and the repair/upgrade-ability is huge. It's gotten me back into using Linux as a daily driver. I really hope they stay true to their vision and that this means expanding it into other consumer…

I've come very close to buying a Framework laptop a few times, but I'd only want to run Linux on it and wasn't sure how well it was supported. How are things like wifi, sleep and battery life under Linux?

Unusable for me because it needs to be scaled fractionally. Unless they come out with a v2 which supports integer scaling, the laptop in its current form isn't worth buying if you don't like high input latency.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by pjerem »

pkulak wrote: post #186
pjerem wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure of what you meant but Apple supports fractional scaling since Retina screens appeared a decade ago. And it supports it really well. It’s absolutely not stuck at 2x.

Last I checked, for fractional scaling, Apple was 2xing, then using the GPU to resize down. Could have changed by now though. Been a while since I took a look.

IIRC, you are right. But it works beautifully.

Except, I’m realizing it just now, it’s maybe why LibreOffice looks so bad on my Mac.

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