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Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by sudosysgen »

The Frameworks are really good. However, the chips inside are disappointing, IMO.

I was considering the i5 1135g7 Framework with 16gb of RAM. A friend of mine bought it, and it's idle power draw is of 8-9W with Gnome 3 and Firefox open.

I decided to get a laptop with a 5800H and an RTX 3070 instead. My power consumption as I'm typing this comment right now is of 7W with a dozen tabs and an IDE, messaging, etc... open. That is despite a 46% larger screen, and a much faster, unlocked TDP, 8 core CPU.

That's a real shame, IMO. Combined with a 55Wh battery, it's quite problematic, and was a deal-breaker for me.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

rcthompson wrote: post #150
BaseballPhysics wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. This is why I switched to simply hibernating, which has worked flawlessly for me. The shutdown and startup times are obviously a bit longer (it takes 10 seconds to get to the bootloader, after which its about 12 seconds to wake up), but since it's truly off, it can remain asleep indefinitely.

Does it really take only 3 seconds to resume from hibernate? That seems implausibly fast, faster than S3 resume.

Nope! I absolutely lied!

Decided to actually time it.

It's 10 seconds from power button to grub bootloader, then 12 seconds from bootloader to login screen.

I decided to run the same test coming out of S3, and it takes 14 seconds on my macine to go from power button to login screen.

So waking from hibernation is roughly 8 seconds slower, or approximately the time it takes to get to grub.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by krasin »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #133
krasin wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for link to the video. I watched the relevant part, where it's suggested to set pcie_aspm_on_bat=powersupersave. According to the Framework forums, this is not helping and people see 7-8W power consumption while in this "powersupersave" mode ([1]). It sounds like the setting is there, but it does not work. Framework needs to fix that. 1. https://community.frame.work/t/issues-with-power-usage/12261

If you read the rest of that thread, you'll find the issue was resolved and it was not an issue with the laptop: https://community.frame.work/t/issues-with-power-usage/12261... > Issue was that I was running linux-zen, strangely. With linux-zen, the CPU wouldn’t get past C3 and idle power usage was 7-13W. With regular linux, the CPU reaches C8 and idle power usage is ~5W. Strange that linux-zen did that, but ok ig Th…

Nice! Thank you for extracting that. I missed it.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by wmf »

torginus wrote: post #41
deltron3030 wrote: post #6

Is there a miniature ASIO soundcard planned for one of the slots? Not needing to carry an external audio interface around when working within a DAW is a major factor that's keeping me on MacOS (both pro audio and consumer use the same driver there).

Do people not remember that these things existed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card You could get standardised addons for laptops, but I guess they disappeared due to lack of interest/better alternatives. It's weird how the world goes around in circles.

The only things 99% of people used PCMCIA for were networking (modems, Ethernet, or Wi-Fi) and once that got built in people didn't really need slots. The long tail of I/O is now handled by USB/Thunderbolt dongles.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by lijogdfljk »

andrewgioia wrote: post #8

Love my Framework. Barring Apple's recent move away from the touchbar it's honestly the first machine I've been excited about in 6 or so years. The build quality is great, love the simplicity and design of the expansion ports, and the repair/upgrade-ability is huge. It's gotten me back into using Linux as a daily driver. I really hope they stay true to their vision and that this means expanding it into other consumer…

Yea i think they're going to be my next laptop when it's time for me to upgrade.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by dncornholio »

pessimizer wrote: post #96
netant wrote: post #28

I purchased one last year and it's been great so far. Pros: - price. I have spare RAM and NVME ssd so this brings the price further down - modular port... Cons: - display/hinge is not very stable - touch pad is not as good as macbook's. I can't reliably click-and-drag using a singe hand (thumb finger to click, then index finger to drag). On macbook this gesture works perfectly fine. Wish there is a bigger version, an…

Try index finger to click, middle finger to drag. That's always been my habit.

It's worse than using the thumb because you have less range and it's a lot less comfortable. Thumb-click index-drag is for me also a requirement.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by Liskni_si »

yencabulator wrote: post #152
bitigchi wrote: post #124

I wish they'd allow configuring the keyboard layout, at least for most spoken languages of the world.

The selection of countries seems pretty good to me: https://frame.work/marketplace/keyboards The real genius of Framework is that it doesn't even have to be the Framework company manufacturing your favorite keyboard, it's just a standard form factor. I personally would buy a replacement ortholinear keyboard, if one was available.

> The real genius of Framework is that it doesn't even have to be the Framework company manufacturing your favorite keyboard, it's just a standard form factor.

Not sure how that's useful as the form factor doesn't really allow for a 7-row keyboard, or full-sized arrow keys. Which is a real missed opportunity in my opinion: a laptop (any computer, really) is primarily a device with inputs (keyboard, touchpad) and outputs (display) so naturally you want those to be as good as possible (and if there isn't a 99.9+% consensus on what that means, modular/configurable) as that's what you'll end up using for hours every day. Why compromise on a single "pretty" layout of physical keys?

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by caslon »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #155

I find it interesting we need a start-up to cater for the desire for a repairable and upgradeable laptop. Dell, HP, Asus, MSI etc have already got the money and the expertise. If there's really a market here why haven't they already taken it? My guess is that the market is small though disproportionately represented on HN.

A market done correctly can cannibalize another market, and that's very much a bad thing when you own both markets. You want to attempt ventures that can get new customers, rather than moving a subset of customers onto a platform where they will spend less money. Forcing people to upgrade often makes more money. Capitalism doesn't optimize for efficiency, it optimizes for revenue.

Small companies are a great tool to squeeze out market inefficiencies. Just look at EVs, which have been useful for decades and only recently seen companies spending large amounts of money on them as a (formerly) small company was laying the marketing groundwork.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by pbronez »

torginus wrote: post #139
IshKebab wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of reasons they aren't repairable. Lack of documentation and debug access is probably the biggest one. My washing machine died, and it looked like some components on the PCB blew. I bought a replacement for around £50 (already a crazy move) but sadly it didn't work. Not really anywhere you can go from there unless you're a professional washing machine repair man. My fridge also had some kind of fault w…

I'm not an expert on washing machine-ology, so sorry if I sound like a smartass, but a quick google search confirmed my suspicions - lower end washing machines tend to use the same PCBs, a telltale sign being that the controls/displays tend to be in the same place. To be honest, even if you can't find a PCB replacement, a faulty PCB can be fixed by inspecting the components and/or replacing them. Usually it costs onl…

> a faulty PCB can be fixed by inspecting the components and/or replacing them. Usually it costs only a couple of dollars and an hour of soldering time, less if you are good at it.

That's a pretty steep DIY requirement. Wonder how robust the market is for these kinds of repair skills. Hard to know when you have a problem like this, who to call about it, and how much it'll cost to fix.

Re: Framework Raises $18M Series A

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Post by pbronez »

deltron3030 wrote: post #6

Is there a miniature ASIO soundcard planned for one of the slots? Not needing to carry an external audio interface around when working within a DAW is a major factor that's keeping me on MacOS (both pro audio and consumer use the same driver there).

a high-quality DAC would be pretty neat. I'm not sure what connectors would be best though. RCA would be ideal, but those are probably too thick. Mini jack is obvious, but low quality.

It'd be particularly cool to get balanced outputs.

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