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Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Something I've noticed among the "successful" youtube homesteaders is that they almost all invariably have property "in the city" that they rent out (generally unseen, usually unspoken, and always off camera) for significant passive income and treat homesteading like a virtuous hobby. Many of them also have side hustles like giving paid talks on homesteading, renting out "farm experiences", or offering classes on var…

I've always said, the only people who think farming for a living sounds fun have obviously never farmed. It is more tenable if you have income sources so you aren't depending on farming for your dinner. If you are independent wealthy and can pay others to do all the farming for you, you aren't a farmer, you merely own a farm. It is a tough life. The best part is the half days, just pick any 12 hours you want to work!

Just stick with the garden that is plenty of work, homesteads are highly overrated..

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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I'm from a rural area in the mountains of Appalachia, grew up on a farm, and I just recently moved back with a remote job. I have seen at least 4 families move in from places like Florida, Pacific Northwest, and Pennsylvania, to try and attempt "homesteading", to say it's going poorly for them would be an understatement.

I would absolutely not recommend homesteading or owning a farm to anyone because the operation of homesteading or farming is inherently fragile. That means that all your free energy is going to be put into maintaining that fragile system. Let me give an example: Say you move out to a farm and decide to be "off grid" and for you that means you don't want to hook into a power or water. You dig a well, mount some solar panels and hook it all up your household. Now imagine you have some bad weather for a few days can't get a full recharge on your batteries you slowly loose all your power. Now because you have no power you have no water, then you decide to house potable water in a tank so that you don't lose out. That require some maintenance and plumbing knowledge Not only that you decide to buy a generator so that you have a stand by in the case of emergencies. That generator requires service that you may not know how to do and fuel that you have to go to town for, so once again you're taking more and more time and energy just to survive.

If you want to be a part of a rural community I would recommend buying a place with acreage that can still be connected to the grid; power and water preferably but power as a bare minimum. You can still have solar, you can still spread out and have a bit of freedom and you won't be as fragile. If your place has a field or farmable land I would lease it out cheaply to a local farmer. Leasing the farmable land helps the farmer, gives you a connection to the community, and helps maintain the land's current state.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Could you provide a description of what you mean by 'homesteading'? Are we talking buy a small farm and try to live off grid?

Optimally, it's obtaining a sufficient plot of bare land and building a roughly self-sufficient complex thereon (home, barn, workshop, garden, orchard, fuel/power, pond, robust kitchen, storage, and/or etc). One may buy a property already with any degree thereof, focus on operational near-self-sufficiency.

This is particularly ingrained in American culture as we're a very few generations away from such lifestyle being normal during expansion across an undeveloped continent.

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First time I've heard this term as well.

It's a fairly popular trend now, doing exactly what OP said. It usually involves buying a few acres and trying to be self-sufficient. Of course there's a subreddit for it https://www.reddit.com/r/homestead/

It has been popular for a long time. Internet has made concept exposure & social networking easier. My parents did it as hobby and crisis management; two generations further back my relatives were living it in earnest as norm for immigrants and descendants.

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Homestead may not work if you depend on your own farm for all of your food needs. However, I feel off grid life with solar, storage, EV etc. combined with a remote job and hopefully cheaper Satellite Internet in the future may work for a lot of people. If I lived in a scenic country I would've at least tried this lifestyle, but may be that is because I am inherently introverted.

I think you might be missing a lot of the amenities of modern towns/cities. Let’s ignore energy and internet/cell service. * You’ll want to live close to a grocery store. * You’ll want to live close to doctors —- not only hospitals and ambulances but also any specialist you or someone in your family mind need. * You’ll want access to tradesmen/craftsmen. Plumbers, auto mechanics, carpenters, electricians. Things brea…

I can't speak to grocery stores or doctors, but the idea that you should be abele to fix everything in your home isn't that far fetched.

Perhaps the modern world has made things appear otherwise but even the most average adult has the capability to do basic vehicle maintenance, plumbing, simple electrical work, basic carpentry and so on. In fact even if you do live in an urban area you might be in for a a bit of regret not learning those skills when you call for a contractor or electrician but no one is available for months due to the ongoing labor shortage.

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where are you going to get a farming job that pays the same as tech without also feeding the corporate beast?

perhaps if agriculture and food generation was priced more in line with its value to humanity, rather than along the lines of cheapest product wins, there would be more feasible careers in homesteading, simpler lives and farming. but in a world where NFT based companies are claiming to be worth billions what hope is there of that? :)

NFTs backed by real fungible property. Own not only the picture of the zucchini, but the zucchini itself, which can be transferred or used independently as an asset.

I am joking of course, but stranger things have happened. You can own a farm, but have conveyable mineral rights, and land use rights, that render the whole of the property unusable by the owner.

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We’re planning to buy 10-20 acres about 30 minutes outside the city, have a few animals, have a large garden (0.5 acres probably), but I intend to keep my job. Our goal is to produce something instead of only consume, reduce our dependence on a supply chain that we think is untenable, and be able to grow most of our own food should we need to. We’re going to focus on growing food that’s easy to grow. I expect this wi…

That seems like a great model for the modern world. What is the food that's easiest to grow?

Depends where you are. I like things I can grow vertical to maximize harvest per sq ft - okra and beans have been my most forgiving and pest free.

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I made the jump 8 years and 3 days ago. (In fact, I wrote books about it https://www.amazon.com/Escape-City-1-Travis-Corcoran/dp/B093... and https://www.amazon.com/Escape-City-2-Travis-Corcoran/dp/B093... ). My first two years were full of buyer's remorse. I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I had expected, the work was very hard, I felt incompetent, I missed my friends back in the metropolitan area, and I missed out…

Woah, I had no idea you posted on the Orange Site.

I can also highly recommend tjic's Escape the City. Even if you don't actually homestead, the recipes and tips on workshop/garage organization are fantastic.

And if you like Heinlein mixed with Vinge, Powers of the Earth is also quite good.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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My parents were part of the "Back to the Land" movement in the 60's. They bought a parcel of land in rural Maine in the late 60's, built a small log cabin, and lived there until the early 80's. No electricity, no phone, no running water (just a dug well; had to break the layer of ice to get water in the winter). Two mile dirt "driveway" out to the nearest town maintained dirt road where other people lived. Had to use a snowmobile to get in and out in the winter and for a month or so in the spring when everything turned to mud, it was nearly impossible to drive anything in and you just had to walk the two miles every time. My older sister was born in the cabin (I came during a hot spell and my mom wanted air conditioning so she made my dad drive her to the hospital to have me). My dad took on occasional part time jobs and seasonal work so they had a little bit of money coming in for gas, store bought ingredients, and property taxes. Otherwise, they were pretty much self-sufficient with a garden and raising animals. Eventually, we had to move closer to civilization so my sister and I could go to school more easily (the home schooling movement hadn't really reached Maine yet and they were starting to threaten us with truancy charges) but I still have a lot of memories of that time. The house we moved to after that had indoor plumbing and electricity and all that, but it was still a rural farm and we still gardened and raised animals for the majority of our food, so even that's probably pretty close to what people are now calling "homesteading".

It's absolutely a ton of hard work and sacrifice and people shouldn't underestimate that. There are aspects of my childhood that are really idyllic and memories that I'm really happy about. But I also remember outhouses (and a honey bucket in the winter), and a never ending series of chores for all of us (weeding, picking rocks out of the garden, harvesting plants, shovelling out stalls, getting up at 5am to go out into the pitch black freezing cold to feed the chickens and fight broody hens to get them off their eggs, chopping and stacking firewood). I've probably got an above average work ethic and ability to grind out hard work without complaining as a result, but experiencing that life also kind of pushed me in the opposite direction. I now live in a city thousands of miles away, work in tech, and while I still love hiking and camping, I absolutely loathe anything to do with gardening, landscaping or outdoor work. I have zero desire to do anything like homesteading myself (though I will admit that I occasionally think about living somewhere that I can have a pet goat. Goats are obnoxious but awesome and I miss them). Something about having to do those kinds of things for survival makes me never want to do them as a hobby.

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