Services in the EU with stricter ethical and privacy standards could pick up US business. I'd rather use almost anyone but google for everything, privately or professionally.
Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?
https://www.hcaptcha.com/ is a drop-in replacement for recaptcha. It's not EU based, but at least it's not Google, and the service is privacy oriented...
It's run by Intuition Machines, Inc. which seems to be incorporated in California. That fact alone disqualifies it.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think part of it is desperation. There is absolutely nothing the EU can say that will convince the American politicians that privacy and corporations are out of control in the US. Americans might believe it's fine, but Germans are careful about how personal data is handled and who has access to it. Culturally the US and Europe is drifting further apart and from the European side it's very hard to see that the US is…
American here - we absolutely do not think it's fine. There is no cultural drift[0]. The reason why we don't have GDPR-like laws is that our political system uses culture wars as a distraction tactic. There are plenty of things that Americans absolutely support that have a snowball's chance in hell if it were put into the form of a bill for Congress to vote on. The EU basically threatening to ban the US from the Inte…
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#114I keep hearing that claim, yet it is never backed up by any substantive evidence or actionable advice as to which of these apparently abundant exclusively EU-based services to use for solving a particular problem. Well, other than the usual Fathom and Plausible, that is. It might come as a surprise to some, but the web and software in general isn't just comprised of analytics. Just to try and prove myself wrong I sea…
Livestorm.co - Paris Wonder.me - Berlin whereby.com - Oslo (technically not EU, but close enough) That site is just lacking.
Adding pexip.com to that list as well
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#115The part in most curious about is not even the usual web services we talk about here, but who will be the new big pipe provider in the EU. Who can compete with CloudFlare / Fastly / Akamai / Maxcdn with the raw bandwidth of DDoS that they can sink in their network. Anyone apart from Gcore labs?
I am not really sure, but I can at least list those that has a good chance (assuming that they weren't beaten over by a startup): European ISPs with Tier-1 capabilities: Sweden's Arelion (prev. Telia Carrier), Telecom Italia's Sparkle, T-Systems (part of Deustche Telekom), France's Orange, and the business and carrier division of Telefonica. Webhosting with demonstrated capabilities are another one: I can only name O…
Hetzner also has facilities in Finland and even bought into a low-latency undersea cable for that purpose.
They are also expanding into the US currently.
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#116This could go a few ways. First, I'm sure Google will fight this and the fight will go on for some time. If they loose, Google could build EU data-centers and try to be GDPR compliant, which seems the most likely outcome. They could also pull out of the market, which seems less likely. If they pull out, I'm not sure that would be good for the EU market. People are suggesting that EU entities will spring up to fill the void, and thats probably true, but those services will almost certainly lag the benefits of the big US clouds. That may put EU entities at a competitive disadvantage.
Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services
#117This could go a few ways. First, I'm sure Google will fight this and the fight will go on for some time. If they loose, Google could build EU data-centers and try to be GDPR compliant, which seems the most likely outcome. They could also pull out of the market, which seems less likely. If they pull out, I'm not sure that would be good for the EU market. People are suggesting that EU entities will spring up to fill th…
>Google could build EU data-centers and try to be GDPR compliant
That doesn't matter, since US CLOUD Act allows US law enforcement to subpoena data even if they are stored in the EU.
The only "way out" is to use cloud providers that have no presence in US.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not really sure, but I can at least list those that has a good chance (assuming that they weren't beaten over by a startup): European ISPs with Tier-1 capabilities: Sweden's Arelion (prev. Telia Carrier), Telecom Italia's Sparkle, T-Systems (part of Deustche Telekom), France's Orange, and the business and carrier division of Telefonica. Webhosting with demonstrated capabilities are another one: I can only name O…
Hetzner also has facilities in Finland and even bought into a low-latency undersea cable for that purpose. They are also expanding into the US currently.
>They are also expanding into the US currently.
This makes it worse, since they fall under US CLOUD Act now.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
>can’t be compelled to handover to US law enforcement Even if a US company holds their data in the EU, due to FISA 702, the CLOUD act and EO 12.333, they can still be compelled to hand over that data. So being a US company is a dealbreaker, regardless of where the data is stored.
What if google uses EU based legal company? https://cloud.google.com/terms/google-entity
I doubt that US courts will fall for this transparent legal tricks. It's not Google, it's Google EU!
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hetzner also has facilities in Finland and even bought into a low-latency undersea cable for that purpose. They are also expanding into the US currently.
>They are also expanding into the US currently. This makes it worse, since they fall under US CLOUD Act now.
I think they created a subsidiary company in the US for their US offering and I don't think the US cloud act can compel the parent company to do anything? Whereas the inverse direction was problematic.