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Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by ThePhysicist »

iqanq wrote: post #18

All of this is similar to what China did back in the day. It helped foster an ecosystem for their own services, but of course they were (and are) of a lower quality.

My last visit to China in 2019 felt like stepping into the future: You can do anything using apps, even buy a bottle of soda at a vending machine or pay for vegetables from a street vendor. I wouldn't call that lower quality, quite the contrary actually in terms of ubiquity and functionality. Of course most people in the west wouldn't know that as the Chinese service providers do not expand as much overseas, but they're on a whole other level there in terms of technological adoption.

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Post by IgorPartola »

the-dude wrote: post #55
IgorPartola wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps a business that doesn’t mine it’s customers data can find an advantage in that restriction. Plenty of successful businesses are built around the idea that you don’t need to sell out.

Plenty? Or a handful?

Every restaurant, every taxi, every plumber you have ever interacted with did not make their money by selling your personal information. They did it by providing value in exchange for a fee. Google and Facebook are the exception to the rule. Sure in the category of free and very popular social networks and search engines this may be the norm, but that category consists of less than a dozen companies.

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Post by dustinmoris »

rini17 wrote: post #8
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, what happens is the US-based companies will just geo-wall the data and throw more money at their EU-based AWS and Azure regions.

To me it reads as only walling the data off is insufficient. They will have to incorporate in Europe or in jurisdiction without FISA-like laws and completely split whole operation there.

It should be this way anyway. Currently they pay little to no tax on all their European income. They don't even collect VAT which to me is a mystery how they can get away with it, because AFAIK it's already a law they should have to follow.

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Post by ToruiDev »

dbbk wrote: post #60
john61 wrote: post #53

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No, because Google hast to comply with US law and has to transfer data to US officials.

Not if it's run through a European subsidiary surely

They still do since they're a subsidiary/related.

Microsoft tried to get around that by not hosting in the EU but having a european trustee do it for them.

That got us the CLOUD act

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Post by Isinlor »

thisisnotatest1 wrote: post #79
mrweasel wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think part of it is desperation. There is absolutely nothing the EU can say that will convince the American politicians that privacy and corporations are out of control in the US. Americans might believe it's fine, but Germans are careful about how personal data is handled and who has access to it. Culturally the US and Europe is drifting further apart and from the European side it's very hard to see that the US is…

Pretty sure Google and Facebook have more trust than politicians. Maybe politicians should ban themselves?

It's not about Google or Facebook.

It is about USA politicians and USA laws that allow USA to do anything with our data as if we were terrorists.

The "Privacy Shield" was established by politicians twice already and dismantled twice by EU courts.

The initiative to strike down privacy shield and enforce ban is a result of civil society.

https://noyb.eu/en/austrian-dsb-eu-us-data-transfers-google-...

> 2020 CJEU ruling hits the real world. In July 2020, the CJEU has issued its groundbreaking "Schrems II" ruling, holding that a transfer to US providers that fall under FISA 702 and EO 12.333 violate the rules on international data transfers in the GDPR. The CJEU consequently annulled the transfer deal "Privacy Shield", after annulling the previous deal "Safe Harbor" in 2015. While this sent shock waves through the tech industry, US providers and EU data exporters have largely ignored the case. Just like Microsoft, Facebook or Amazon, Google has relied on so-called "Standard Contract Clauses" to continue data transfers and calm its European business partners.

> Max Schrems, honorary chair of noyb.eu: "Instead of actually adapting services to be GDPR compliant, US companies have tried to simply add some text to their privacy policies and ignore the Court of Justice. Many EU companies have followed the lead instead of switching to legal options."

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by nickpp »

owlmirror wrote: post #70
thisisnotatest1 wrote: post #65

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What do you mean with vitriol? The handling of personal data by the United States government is just an unsolved problem that has to be dealt with. How is Google going to lock the data in the EU, in a way that it can't be grabbed by the unbound US surveillance apparatus?

I am much more afraid of my data being grabbed by EU / my government surveillance apparatus.

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Post by owlmirror »

nickpp wrote: post #86
owlmirror wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean with vitriol? The handling of personal data by the United States government is just an unsolved problem that has to be dealt with. How is Google going to lock the data in the EU, in a way that it can't be grabbed by the unbound US surveillance apparatus?

I am much more afraid of my data being grabbed by EU / my government surveillance apparatus.

Can't you be worried about both? In the EU you at least theoretically have legal recourse. But these issues go hand in hand, as surveillance data sharing programs like Five Eyes have shown.

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Post by thisisnotatest1 »

owlmirror wrote: post #87
nickpp wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am much more afraid of my data being grabbed by EU / my government surveillance apparatus.

Can't you be worried about both? In the EU you at least theoretically have legal recourse. But these issues go hand in hand, as surveillance data sharing programs like Five Eyes have shown.

Politicians:

The kings of deception, the GOATs at breaking the terms and conditions

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Post by hijodelsol »

litgab wrote: post #20
technion wrote: post #14

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Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?

The directory linked in the article actually contains a captcha service called FriendlyCaptcha: https://www.developedin.eu/item-detail?recordId=recG9DsaUnGd...

From a first look it seems like the subscription requires to use that service in a EU-only fashion costs at least 200$. While this seems like a good option for large and medium size companies, I fear that this pricing leaves out all small companies that may not require 50k solved captchas a month but may require EU-based hosting nonetheless.

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

mrweasel wrote: post #71
sirwitti wrote: post #3

This is already affecting websites and web apps. At least all of our customers are moving away from Google Analytics and many try to also get rid of other Google services like fonts and maps. I'm very interested to see what this changes in other european countries.

We can't sell AWS consulting services to anyone right now, haven't been able to for over a year, almost two I think. Non of our clients trust Amazon right now. The claims from AWS is that it's fine to host EU data in AWS, but very few companies are willing to risk that.

I mean, they have EU datacenters... the issue with Google Analytics is that this data can be moved through other datacenters.

This was one of the ways the NSA programs worked... just tap the google lines which were unencrypted and slurp the data as it moved from datacenter to datacenter.

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