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Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

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Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#41
It's not clear, but did you expect to keep your financial and social status while homesteading?

If yes, I think it was a mistake.

For me homesteading would be a way of escaping the rat race and doing something meaningful. I wouldn't expect to get much money out of it nor any social standing.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#42
Maybe what you're really looking for is small town, semi-rural living rather than homesteading?

I don't much like living in cities, but homesteading is a bit of an extreme reaction to it. What brings me tranquility is the ability to be among nature, to be able to talk to my neighbours and get to know them in a friendly way, then come home to most mod cons, and do what I'm reasonably good at - work a tech job - remotely, in comfort. Every now and again I need to go into the city to the office, but those occasional office days become fun, and I can often combine them with going shopping or seeing some entertainment.

If I feel like it I can go get a taste of some 'self reliance' DIY work, but I'm not ultimately required to do it - I can just get someone in and pay them to do the work.

What was it that attracted you to homesteading exactly?

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#43

As a rural dweller(15 miles from the nearest town) the whole homestead(read: (semi)off grid, no prior experience, DIY ALL THE THINGS!) movement to me seems completely stupid. It's encouraging people that have no experience or knowledge to leave the world they know, and enter a world they don't. Then, start that world on extra hard mode, and if they don't do it all they're laughed at. They also neglect to tell folks t…

I hadn’t realized that homesteading was a tread. I can see the undercurrent in current culture to want more space and be outside more with being cooped up more these days (yes, we could just go outside more). Personally, 2-5 acres sounds amazing. My wood shop is threatening to outgrow the garage and a proper barn/outbuilding would be nice.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#44
Its seems to me you need to decide what your values and priorities are. If you decided to homestead expecting to keep on pace with contemporary values such as wealth and social status then you made the wrong choice. The choice to largely leave society and attempt what you have is one often made in spite of contemporary values. Its a choice to leave them behind and adopt new values. Subsistence can be enough, if you decide it is. On the other hand if you haven't made those value changes in step with your lifestyle changes you will fail and likely grow depressed.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#45
Have you considered that perhaps your value system is conflicted?

You say your friends are moving from you financially and socially. Did you move to the country for financial and social gain?

Or did you move to gain greater control of your life, be in nature, grow your own food - ie live a more human and less constrained existence?

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#47
You sound like you already had established skills and experience in a career which helped you achieve a certain level of quality of life. Now it's like you've moved into a different career and you're starting out again with zero skills and zero experience. Think about it like evaluating a career move, not a life choice move, maybe it will be easier to compare that way.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#48
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You haven’t mentioned why you made the switch. That is potentially the most important factor regarding how to proceed. For example, if you did it due to an ingrained sense of moral responsibility, your current feelings may be temporary and you’ll get through them if you stick to it or hang out with different friends which align closer to your values. If you did it because it looked like a fun challenge but ended up b…

I long ago decided it's not for me, though I have friends who do it.

If you are going to stick with it, I get the impression you need a community above all else. Forget youtube, learn from people in person, and share the labour.

If you are motivated by ethical/environmental concerns - there are plenty of other ways to make a positive difference to the world. Some of these are jobs in tech, if you pick carefully. Either in a city, or remote (if you've decided you like country living but not the manual labour).

Or you can go for a hybrid lifestyle - live rurally, grow a little food, also work part time in tech so you can buy more of life's comforts. (or, y'know, other jobs - teach maths? work in tourism? my friends are building a business selling fruit wines).

But yes, I get the impression that fullon homesteading is hard, e.g. at least some WWOOF hosts couldn't survive without the free work of volunteers. Maximum kudos for giving it a go.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#49
Not sure there's much to add. Economies of scale, specialisation and technological innovation are probably three of the oldest and most fundamental concepts in economics.

It's the difference between one layman person spending an hour to bake a single bread by hand on a wood stove, and ten persons each operating a part of a machine in a factory that spits out 8000 breads per 8-hour shift.

You can try to replicate factory-style production in your homestead somewhat and get decent productivity numbers. But you'd need to do this for bread, and cheese, and clothes. You simply can't specialise nor get the right scale nor make the necessary capital expenditures across multiple product categories for that to work.

Homesteading thereby really means accepting that your productivity is a small fraction of that of modern life.

Of course you can trade and obtain most of the things you don't produce like any other person on the planet. But what you're trading in the end is your time, and its value is measured in productivity. If you sell an hour of your time but only produce 1 loaf of bread, and you're competing in a marketplace with agents whose productivity is 100 loafs of bread, your purchasing power is very weak, and the prices of everything measured against your own labour-time will be exorbitant.

Of course you can also say you don't homestead but instead simply live in a rural area, in isolation, working a modern remote job (e.g. in tech). That'd work fine, but it's probably not defined as homesteading. But it's a modus that probably works better for you: enjoy the closeness to nature, enjoy agricultural activities as much as you enjoy it as a hobby, live relatively simply and without many expenses and luxuries, and work only a few hours in tech to sustain this cheaper lifestyle.

Re: Ask HN: Did I make a mistake jumping on the homestead bandwagon?

#50
I made the jump 8 years and 3 days ago. (In fact, I wrote books about it https://www.amazon.com/Escape-City-1-Travis-Corcoran/dp/B093... and https://www.amazon.com/Escape-City-2-Travis-Corcoran/dp/B093... ).

My first two years were full of buyer's remorse. I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I had expected, the work was very hard, I felt incompetent, I missed my friends back in the metropolitan area, and I missed out on a lot of the food choices.

...but the buyer's remorse passed. Partially this was my preferences changing, partially it was making new friends, partially it was hiring on help to do some tasks (farmhands to install fencing and clear an overgrown pasture, etc.), partially it was acquiring the skills and equipment that made work easier, and finally it was cutting back on the task list.

I'd be happy to share more thoughts if you want to go into more details on your thinking.

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