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Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by yohannparis »

Deukhoofd wrote: post #33
simion314 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means US government should pass laws to protect EU citizens data, if they feel generous they could apply it to every person regardless of his citizenship,

Or far simpler, revoke section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It's an absolutely insane law anyhow, basically "we can spy on any data of non-American users of American services, without any restrictions"

I agree that section 702 is a bit extreme.

But, at the heart of it, it makes sense. If foreigners can use services in your jurisdiction, you want to see what they do for security purposes.

Nonetheless, it's against the belief of "innocent until proven guilty."

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by viraptor »

zinekeller wrote: post #37
viraptor wrote: post #30

The part in most curious about is not even the usual web services we talk about here, but who will be the new big pipe provider in the EU. Who can compete with CloudFlare / Fastly / Akamai / Maxcdn with the raw bandwidth of DDoS that they can sink in their network. Anyone apart from Gcore labs?

I am not really sure, but I can at least list those that has a good chance (assuming that they weren't beaten over by a startup): European ISPs with Tier-1 capabilities: Sweden's Arelion (prev. Telia Carrier), Telecom Italia's Sparkle, T-Systems (part of Deustche Telekom), France's Orange, and the business and carrier division of Telefonica. Webhosting with demonstrated capabilities are another one: I can only name O…

It would be interesting if the ISPs got into this game. Although it doesn't look like they're interested so far - at least not in the non-big-government-contract way. US telcos didn't get involved either at consumer CDN level.

Hetzner has only a handful of locations - they'd have to massively scale up to be a viable CDN and add all the needed tech.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by Terry_Roll »

technion wrote: post #14
sirwitti wrote: post #3

This is already affecting websites and web apps. At least all of our customers are moving away from Google Analytics and many try to also get rid of other Google services like fonts and maps. I'm very interested to see what this changes in other european countries.

Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?

And the more this happens, the worse the search results will get because measuring popularity of a link and time spent on a website needs to be measured for ranking purposes, next time someone used the same search term.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by Puts »

Whenever a company tries to sell you their GDPR compliance by stating data is "encrypted at rest" you should call bullshit. If the data is stored on servers that are online the data will never be at rest (until the day the servers are discarded) making this protective measure useless in the context of Schrems II.

The EDPB Guidelines from November 2020 says:

"where unencrypted personal data is technically necessary for the provision of the service by the processor, transport encryption and data-at-rest encryption even taken together, do not constitute a supplementary measure that ensures an essentially equivalent level of protection if the data importer is in possession of the cryptographic keys"

https://edpb.europa.eu/sites/default/files/consultation/edpb...

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by bsagdiyev »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #43
technion wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?

And the more this happens, the worse the search results will get because measuring popularity of a link and time spent on a website needs to be measured for ranking purposes, next time someone used the same search term.

Google search seemed to work fine before that stuff was tracked.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by ohgodplsno »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #43
technion wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?

And the more this happens, the worse the search results will get because measuring popularity of a link and time spent on a website needs to be measured for ranking purposes, next time someone used the same search term.

*according to Google.

I spend 5 minutes on american recipe websites to scroll through the SEO bullshit before finding the actual recipe, but that doesn't mean it's useful.

So, no, it's just Google telling you to let them collect analytics on every aspect of your life for "search improvement purposes".

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by zinekeller »

viraptor wrote: post #42
zinekeller wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not really sure, but I can at least list those that has a good chance (assuming that they weren't beaten over by a startup): European ISPs with Tier-1 capabilities: Sweden's Arelion (prev. Telia Carrier), Telecom Italia's Sparkle, T-Systems (part of Deustche Telekom), France's Orange, and the business and carrier division of Telefonica. Webhosting with demonstrated capabilities are another one: I can only name O…

It would be interesting if the ISPs got into this game. Although it doesn't look like they're interested so far - at least not in the non-big-government-contract way. US telcos didn't get involved either at consumer CDN level. Hetzner has only a handful of locations - they'd have to massively scale up to be a viable CDN and add all the needed tech.

T-Systems did dab on a, uhm, complicated partnership (legally-speaking, it was otherwise a boring one) with Microsoft (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/germany/germany-welco...).

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by qwytw »

bsagdiyev wrote: post #45
Terry_Roll wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the more this happens, the worse the search results will get because measuring popularity of a link and time spent on a website needs to be measured for ranking purposes, next time someone used the same search term.

Google search seemed to work fine before that stuff was tracked.

That's because way less people were trying to game it.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by IgorPartola »

the-dude wrote: post #40

I have read here on HN a comment which said the following : US companies will still be at an advantage as they can still mine their other customers and use this knowledge for their EU operations as well. EU based companies will not be allowed to mine US customers the same way.

Perhaps a business that doesn’t mine it’s customers data can find an advantage in that restriction. Plenty of successful businesses are built around the idea that you don’t need to sell out.
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