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Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by burglekutt »

dariusm5 wrote: post #23
_robbywashere wrote: post #4

Mexico is a scary place. Violence and or the threat of violence reigns supreme. People are afraid to be outside at night. Every scalable wall is covered either with broken glass or razor wire.

I lived in Mexico for a few years but decided to leave last year after getting married and having a child. It's an awful place if you value things like safety, health, education, infrastructure, and most importantly, the rule of law. For me all the news reports of kidnappings and violence were just background noise until it hit close to home. My wife's sister-in-laws family was kidnapped and badly beaten to the point…

What city was this in?

Every state and city in Mexico can be a different story, but it seems to change every year. Guadalajara seemed safe a few years ago and is now considered dangerous, for example. Yucatan seems like it has been safe for a decade.

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by jevoten »

unixhero wrote: post #18
_robbywashere wrote: post #4

Mexico is a scary place. Violence and or the threat of violence reigns supreme. People are afraid to be outside at night. Every scalable wall is covered either with broken glass or razor wire.

Uh like the United States is too right? [0],[1],[2],[3]? 0, https://www.dailynews.com/2021/12/28/parents-of-girl-14-kill... 1, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/matthew-wi... 2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... 3, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

If by "like" you mean "1/6th as much", then yes. Homicides per year per 100.000 inhabitants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...):

    Mexico: 29.1
    United States: 5.0
    Czech Republic: 0.6

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by boomboomsubban »

amelius wrote: post #19
boomboomsubban wrote: post #2

These stories should be accompanied by whatever the journalist was researching that made them a target. I've never heard of Roberto Toledo until now, and my only knowledge of him shouldn't be that he's dead. Searching his name says that he was a cameraman and his employer was "reporting on corrupt administration and corrupt officials" but surely this is the time to be specific.

Perhaps they simply don't dare to be more specific ...

It's possible, and I wouldn't blame them if that's their reason. My issue with that is that they then didn't take the death threats seriously, and still put some tacit blame on the local administration.

So they willingly risked their employees lives, and after someone got killed they protect their own neck but still sort of hint their employees will continue the actions.

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by boomboomsubban »

shusaku wrote: post #27
fitpolar wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

U.S. journalists don’t have the courage to do journalism anymore. They wouldn’t dare go against the grain, let alone be specific on corruption. Mexican journalists should migrate, and report on both U.S. and Mexican government corruption without the threat of overt assassination.

This is a ridiculous comment thread, the linked article is what 150 words? Why the fuss about the level of detail? That’s best left to other publications.

Because they're unlikely to ever have this level of coverage again. I've never heard of this paper, and probably will never hear more details about this murder.

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by helloworld11 »

_robbywashere wrote: post #4

Mexico is a scary place. Violence and or the threat of violence reigns supreme. People are afraid to be outside at night. Every scalable wall is covered either with broken glass or razor wire.

I happen to live here. The degree of danger depends enormously on where you live and what you do. Not everywhere is this dangerous and not everything is covered in razor wire and broken glass. This is not at all to downplay the grotesque degree of violence that permeates much of Mexico, but a bit of perspective on specifics helps. I do night street photography as a hobby, for example, and in many years of that, wandering the streets of several Mexican cities during late night hours (carefully but not with utter paranoia) I've never once been assaulted or physically threatened so far.

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by helloworld11 »

unixhero wrote: post #18
_robbywashere wrote: post #4

Mexico is a scary place. Violence and or the threat of violence reigns supreme. People are afraid to be outside at night. Every scalable wall is covered either with broken glass or razor wire.

Uh like the United States is too right? [0],[1],[2],[3]? 0, https://www.dailynews.com/2021/12/28/parents-of-girl-14-kill... 1, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/matthew-wi... 2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... 3, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

Your claim and links are the classic example of using scary specific cases and anecdotes to extrapolate an argument while ignoring statistical and general tendencies. Mexico's homicide rate is several times higher than that of the U.S. as a whole and the two countries simply don't compare in terms of insecurity, at all. Nor do they compare in sheer crappiness of police response. People may complain about U.S police having their major flaws (and rightly so in many cases) but the police in Mexico are a whole different story of ineptitude, corruption, danger and in the least case, simply not showing up to do their most basic job. Also, there are many, many mass shootings in Mexico, almost weekly, sometimes even daily in fact, it's just that they garner little or no major media attention and that they happen under different contexts.

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by unixhero »

helloworld11 wrote: post #36
unixhero wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh like the United States is too right? [0],[1],[2],[3]? 0, https://www.dailynews.com/2021/12/28/parents-of-girl-14-kill... 1, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/matthew-wi... 2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... 3, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

Your claim and links are the classic example of using scary specific cases and anecdotes to extrapolate an argument while ignoring statistical and general tendencies. Mexico's homicide rate is several times higher than that of the U.S. as a whole and the two countries simply don't compare in terms of insecurity, at all. Nor do they compare in sheer crappiness of police response. People may complain about U.S police h…

While I can agree that it is several order magnitude higher in Mexico. That does not change my point. Also the links from Wikipedia are statistics on a national level, so I am not cherry picking data. Let's remind of what my point is: it is bad in Mexico, AND it is bad in the United States.

Re: Fourth journalist killed in Mexico this year

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Post by unixhero »

hugh-avherald wrote: post #20
unixhero wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh like the United States is too right? [0],[1],[2],[3]? 0, https://www.dailynews.com/2021/12/28/parents-of-girl-14-kill... 1, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/matthew-wi... 2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... 3, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

Weird comment. Your first two links are of accidental and out-of-the-ordinary homicides, which are not really 'scary' or an indication of violent society.

The first two are symptoms, the two last are national statistics. I don't see this as weird, but I will take it, I love being weird!
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