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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

hda111 wrote: post #507
amelius wrote: post #404

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Miele's user interface isn't that great. I owned a Miele laundry machine. After you press "start" there is no way you can undo that. This sucks. Even missiles have an "unlaunch" feature.

With the current WiFi connected Miele laundry machines you can use the app to pause and add more laundry.

but why? I mean if I'm doing laundry I'm within 50 ft of the machine generally? I have never needed to do such an operation or can think of a situation where the added complexity merits the addition of wifi and security threats of a Russian hacker trying to mine etherium on my dish washer.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

PebblesRox wrote: post #331
epicide wrote: post #297

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If you already have the dishwasher loaded with the dishes before you leave for work, why not just run it then?

We try to avoid running our dishwasher when our toddler is around because he will interfere with the cycle, but sometimes we forget to start it right before heading out the door. Remote start would be handy in a case like that :)

But is it worth having yet another insecure & hackable device on the wifi when the manufacturer quits creating FW updates? Or ever even bothers?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

aldebran wrote: post #360
Karunamon wrote: post #321

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Off-peak electricity pricing, not wanting to wake/disturb others with noise, not wanting to consume too much hot water before the rest of the house showers or uses the clothes washer...

My 15yr old dishwasher does this with a timer functionality. This doesn’t sound like the strongest use case.

Yep, it's just a dial that lets me delay up to 12 hours lol. Overengineered hackable electronics. I'd rather than cost go into a more sturdy unit made of better materials. My dishwasher is 20 years old and works fine. The owner of the house before me said he did have one of the timer replaced at some point.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by fsflover »

UncleMeat wrote: post #530
fsflover wrote: post #375

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If it uses free software, you can reprogram it to connect to your own server (or anyone else's who wants your money). > But this is so incredibly far beyond the capabilities of the enormous majority of people that it might as well not be a thing in the first place. You don't have to be a programmer to benefit from free software. The latter simply removes the monopoly of the software developers and allows alternative…

> You don't have to be a programmer to benefit from free software. The latter simply removes the monopoly of the software developers and allows alternative developers to work for you if you pay them. And where is this font of developers writing replacements for abandoned free software? We've had decades of GPL software. The number of people who have actually used this lever is incredibly small.

> The number of people who have actually used this lever is incredibly small.

Where can I go to a shop and buy, e.g., a laptop with Linux? It's practically impossible. I guess it's because the monopolies don't allow anyone to enter the market. In practice, Linux is already better for many use cases.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by mikepurvis »

Ma8ee wrote: post #215
nsxwolf wrote: post #192

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Every dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.

We just run the normal eco program without any extras. The dishes get perfectly clean every time as long as nothing hinders the rotating arms that spray water.

This is the big cause of issues for us (Bosch 800). Either the arms are blocked or the holes clogged, or the middle rack's hose junction hasn't properly mated with the water source at the back of the machine.

Overall I'm really happy with this machine though; worth the pretty penny it costs.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by mikepurvis »

raxxorrax wrote: post #302
Ma8ee wrote: post #215

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We just run the normal eco program without any extras. The dishes get perfectly clean every time as long as nothing hinders the rotating arms that spray water.

Depends on the size of your household a bit. If it runs every second day, it should not be a problem. If you save dishes for a week or two, the additional water from the intensive program really helps to get rid of dried out dirt.

Ours runs 2-3 times a day, but even still, I typically soak all the cutlery in a tall glass or pitcher full of water in the sink, and load it last minute. There are just too many nooks and crannies for stuff to get stuck in on a fork or knife, and they cleaning they get in a three-rack machine is too gentle for anything other than a sterilizing rinse.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #508
brk wrote: post #266

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Tesla is making dishwashers now?

“Full Self-Washing” is coming soon, just you wait! And check out the new Ridiculous wash cycle! The jokes practically write themselves.

"Soon you will be able to turn on your water valve and enjoy clean dishes, almost as much joy as being a part of the Tesla Family. Keep your eyes out for a dry cycle for only an additional $8000"

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by fsflover »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #546
fsflover wrote: post #502

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If you only have freedom 1, you must be a software developer (with a lot of free time) to benefit from that.

The important part of freedom 2 (freely distributing patches to copyrighted software) is already allowed by existing copyright law. You own the copyright to your patches, not the company whose software you're patching. Extending that freedom to allow distributing the end result of those patches to people who don't have a license to use the original software (as freedom 2 does) would just be another, slightly less dir…

> would just be another, slightly less direct way of abolishing software copyright

Which is the right thing to do. Copyright creates artificial monopolies and harms users, as was predicted by Stallman: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-impor.... There should be a different, just way to be paid for software.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

adolph wrote: post #543
akhosravian wrote: post #493

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My kitchen aid has a white light that comes on when it finishes running, and automatically shuts itself off when it is closed. As long as you unload it instead of fishing a single item out this works pretty well for telling the clean state.

> fishing a single item out This is the challenge. Allow for partial unload without displaying "ready for dirty dish load." Ultimately I think it has to be performed by a manually operated sign, which can easily get out of sync with the dishwasher state. https://www.amazon.com/Dishwasher-Indicator-Dishwashers-Home...

Yeah, I'm surprised I haven't worn out the door latch on my dishwasher...

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

lordnacho wrote: post #300
michaelt wrote: post #51

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> The Wi-Fi is useful [...] Performs updates, etc. Ah yes, get wifi so your dishwasher can get security updates, which you need because your dishwasher is on wifi.

Important to remember these kinds of devices might not have any personal info on them, but they can still be useful for DDoS attacks and other things that are bad for everyone.

It's kind of ironic that you can use IoT light bulbs to bring down the power grid if cyber warfare ever truly breaks out.
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