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Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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No one likes ads, but the belief that you're owed content for free is absurd.

The belief that advertisers are owed my attention is absurd. Since forever, you could opt of viewing ads. Ad in a magazine? Next page. TV commercial? Great time for a bathroom break. But now advertisers have decided that you MUST watch their ad. There's a countdown timer for. If the browser loses focus, the timer stops. How long before they're tracking eyeballs for enforcement? Oh wait, not long at all. https://futur…

> The belief that advertisers are owed my attention is absurd.

You are trying to rationalize theft through self-righteous nonsense.

If you don't want the ads, don't use the site/service/content. Simple as that. Anything else is you stealing it.

You don't get to decide how a site pays for the cost of running their operation. They do. If they decide ads is the way and you don't like it, don't use their site. Stealing the content does not make you virtuous, no matter how you might attempt to distort reality. It makes you a thief.

"I don't how you do things, so I am going to steal your product!"

Yeah, that's a formula for a better society.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I started watching Adam Curtis' Century of the Self [1] recently, then decided to fact check [2]. Curtis makes out Sigmund Freuds nephew Edward Louis Bernays as the inventor of modern advertising, but he exaggerates for effect as usual. I've been a fan of busting ads for a long time, at least since I learned as a boy that I was being psychologically manipulated.

We're an activist hub and the headquarters of Adbusters magazine, the journal of the mental environment. Since 1989, our international collective of artists, designers, writers, musicians, poets, punks, philosophers and wild hearts has been smashing ads, fighting corruption and speaking truth to power. [3]

[1] The Century of the Self - Part 1: "Happiness Machines"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

[3] https://www.adbusters.org/about-us

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I'm not sure content creators need to be paid for their work. At least, not all. What internet surveillance does is motivate people to create awful content that nobody in the market would pay for in order to skim dollars from what is largely a privacy invading, fraudulent vacuum of an industry. People will pay for good content, they did for a long time before there was an internet or a surveillance industry. There we…

That sounds like an argument for better payment mechanisms but people still need to be paid. Yes, people paid for content prior to the internet but there were also problems — many good things went unnoticed because not enough discovered them while plenty of garbage got tons of attention because the creator had some personal connection to publishers, reviewers, DJs, etc. One of the things I loved about the rise of the…

> That sounds like an argument for better payment mechanisms but people still need to be paid.

Paying people for good content doesn't fix the problem. The internet is still cluttered with awful content drowning out the useful stuff. Not because people are trying hard and learning or just plain love their awful guitar playing even if nobody is watching, but because they're getting paid by surveillance. What we need is the absence of that incentive.

This is one of those cases where the free market would actually fix the problem if there was some sensible regulation applied. Sadly it'll never be quick enough to catch up with the technology.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Aside from the manipulative and downright unproductive type of economy we are left with, how much energy (in terms of Wh) is wasted by video ads? Energy doesn’t lie, even if a publisher can seemingly offset their costs with a CDN. The real trouble is that energy pricing is not correlated with total cost of production in most countries. Could energy pricing that accounted for pollution, resource depletion as well as t…

I believe there's also a substantial cost as e-waste when people dump devices that are no longer powerful enough to display ad-filled garbage without terrible lag and stutter.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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In FireFox I have my ad blockers disabled in Private Mode so nothing is getting in the way if I'm testing or some site is being weird. Sometimes it's SHOCKINGLY different how a page looks with the blockers in place. I really can't believe anyone would user a browser without an ad blocker if they knew how things would look while using one. The web is a much better place with a blocker in place. (Yes, I know, we get a…

I feel zero guilt about ad blocking. There was some period of discussion on the subject back in like 2003 but the ad companies went to war against human civilization and there's been no going back. It corrupts and twists everything it touches into a constant hustle for eyeball-cash and an entire generation has now reached adulthood knowing nothing but that hustle touching every bit of media they ever interact with. W…

I never used an ad blocker. I think ads are a symptom of our time, and although I understand that not everyone would (or should) follow this idea, I will neither ignore or treat a symptom but rather watch it closely as one should with enemies. Most people on this planet is not using ad blockers so there's an inequality issue, and hiding the effects (ads) of a problem will further stop us from taking systematic action.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I just upgraded after refusing. Mostly for mobile. On desktop my ad block works but on mobile it wouldnt. You can also shut off your screen on mobile and it continues to run with Premium. It kind of sucks that Youtube requires you to pay for this but I use Youtube enough to be okay with it.

Ad block on firefox works on YouTube on mobile (Android) and there is another mobile firefox extension to allow background play.

On Android, Youtube Vanced (https://vancedapp.com/) is the best solution, in my experience. Used it for multiple years, no complaints.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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One market where this has always been a problem is tools. So almost 20 years ago we were told in shop class that the industry magazines and reviews were basically all paid for by manufacturers. The solution we learned was to always buy the cheapest option first. If it breaks or fails to meet your needs understand how and why and then move on to a more costly tool that you can demonstrate is better in the specific way…

Sometimes the cost for a quality piece of gear is incremental though, so you buy a harbor freight thingamajig then it breaks so you buy the Milwaukee thingamajigfor twice the price, for a total of 300% of the cost of the original thing. You could have saved 30% in that case by just buying the good thing in the first place.

You have to expect that this will happen a certain amount of the time when you use the "buy the cheapest tool" strategy. Of course, really, it's not "buy the cheapest tool"; it's "buy the cheapest tool that could possibly work," sort of like "do the simplest thing that could possibly work" in agile.

If the tool breaks quickly, that's not usually a terrible outcome. Most companies have at least a 90 day limited warranty you could take advantage of in that case. In many cases, you can even just return the damn thing to the store where you bought it and get a refund or exchange for a better tool. This, of course, assumes that the reason you needed the thing in the first place isn't incredibly time-sensitive, but, usually, it works out fine.

Of course, if it lasts forever, then, great! But, in the intermediate scenario, where you encounter the limitation of the tool a little ways down the road, that's actually where this strategy shines, because you get a chance to upgrade to a better tool without wasting a ton of money on top of the line equipment right away. I know photographers who do this with lenses all the time: they'll rent a new lens for a week or something, go out and shoot it to see how it really works, and then determine whether they want to commit to it. $100 spent on a lens rental has saved some of my friends more than $1000 on glass they don't need. And, if they ultimately do end up buying the lens, that $100 is $100 well spent for peace of mind that they will actually get the use out of the thing that they actually bought it for. And, I think the Harbor Freight strategy makes a lot more sense if you view the initial purchase from HF as possibly a long term rental.

Now, there is that one caveat that you need to buy "the cheapest tool that could possibly work." If you're a professional machinist, for instance, don't go buying a $5 caliper and thinking that will be good. Go and spend the $150 or whatever on a Mitutoyo instrument to begin with, because you know damn well you will need it. This is just an example I pulled from personal experience, as I needed a caliper for hobby purposes a few years ago and ended up looking at things ranging from that $5 caliper on up to precision instruments. For my purposes, the low end is totally fine, because I don't need accuracy better than 0.1mm, and it's not my professional livelihood on the line. But, if you're a professional, never trust an instrument that doesn't come with a certificate of calibration.

I've also used this strategy with good success on photography equipment, myself. I wanted a DSLR camera I could use to take pictures for hobby purposes, mostly intended for web use. I did a little research and decided that a used Nikon D3400 was for me. So, I went to eBay, found one that only had about 1200 clicks on the shutter that came with the 18-55 kit lens and the original box for $325 (tax and shipping included), and I bought it. I augmented that with a used 90mm Tamron macro lens for under $150 and I was good to go.

It has one or two small limitations that either only come into play outside of the original use case I had in mind, or which aren't really annoying enough to mention, but, for the most part, it's been a spectacular camera that I spent under $500 on, as opposed to spending $1000 on a Z50 (or, you know, gone really crazy and gotten a D850 or a Z9), and then another $900 on a new Nikon 105mm macro lens, but, for my purposes, I can take photos that are 95% as good as what I could ultimately produce with the more expensive equipment, but, I can legitimately say this strategy has saved me over $1000.

I did exactly the same thing when I started learning to play the cello. A new, carved wooden cello suitable for a student probably runs around $2000-2500, and that doesn't necessarily include a decent bow. This is also an instrument one will certainly grow out of if one continues playing. I did my research and went out and bought a Yamaha electric for $3000 and went to a cello shop to try out bows, ending up with a nice $1200 bow. I ended up with an instrument I'll never outplay and a bow that will last me years. The alternative would have probably been a much less playable bow and instrument, or a lot more money expended.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Schools. If you have kids that go to school chances are the teacher regularly uses youtube. Without adblockers.

Do everyone a favor: talk to your kid's school, the IT guys there, and have then install ublock.

All parents, teachers and kids will adore you.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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I managed to get a 48" flex bit stuck in my wall when I was running ethernet last summer. Since it was the last hole I needed and it only cost me $9 at Harbor Freight, I left it in the wall and called it good. The $90 bit from Home Depot probably would have meant removing a bunch of drywall and then having to patch it. The batteries on my ~20 year old Craftsman cordless drill are finally getting to the point where th…

For a replacement like that, it's probably worth watching for Father's Day and other sales. With cordless tools, you're really buying into a battery accessory system, and it's good to know what tools are available for the battery you select.

100%. One of the areas I will spend more on is cordless tools. The modern Dewalt stuff has built me a deck and a campervan, and when it comes to lawn tools the E-go stuff has been fantastic. Both of those definitely locked me into a "system" as you say but both also covered just about any future use case I would have.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Which ad blocker? I use ublock origin and I never see YT ads.

I agree uBlock origin is the best, but I am running Safari now, so I use both Adblock plus and Ghostery lite.

I use AdGuard, I don't see YouTube ads.
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