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Re: Please make a dumb car

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I'm fine with a touch screen for things like rear camera and plugging in a smart phone, but I want actual volume, temperature, and fan speed knobs. I also want all of the information about the car I can get. For example, I don't want a "tire low light", I want an air pressure in each tire with an flashing indicator that its out of safe range. I don't want an "overheat", I want the temperature and big flashing when it…

Checkout Mazda3. Hud with navigation is awesome to use.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

I did sort of miss losing blue tooth when switching to a newer work truck from a muscle car that had it. But it hasn't been an issue. I don't miss any of the other feature enough to pay for them (no key fob, no power seats, etc; but it has power windows and locks, so that's nice). The quality of tactile representation and response on the knobs/buttons are not as good as my old 89 caprice was. But that's true of all c…

If you have a cigarette lighter that you use as a USB charger, they make cigarette lighter bluetooth-to-radio adapters which also have usb slots for about $20. Set your car radio and the adapter to the same frequency, and your car now has bluetooth.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Backup cameras are mandated in the US now, so that requires an LCD screen on the dash.

Am in the only one who turns and looks back, out the window? I had 20 plus rental cars last year and very few had tech features I would ever pay for. Lane assist with adaptive cruise are the only notable features for long drives. I did enjoy the red dash notification Toyota has. Totally caught me off guard the first time however, I tried out the ABS.

Once I got my first real backup cam, I was instantly sold. I don't blame the regulators from requiring it, because it's such a huge, obvious win. Especially in parking lots, the camera has a vantage point at the back edge of the car that no mirror will give me, so I can see someone walking or driving down the aisle before I start to pull out.

The other thing I'd like to see more or less mandated is blind spot warning. I especially like the kind that is visible to other drivers. I don't even have it on any of my cars, LOL. I just like to see it on other cars that I'm passing.

Lane assist I am ambivalent about. I had AP, it was okay. It does not drive as defensively as I do, however, which meant that it increased my tension on long drives rather than reduce it. I do like good adaptive cruise however. That means no phantom braking :).

Re: Please make a dumb car

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post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backup cameras are mandated in the US now, so that requires an LCD screen on the dash.

No it doesnt. My subaru has it in the rear view, where it belongs.

It's nice if you don't want a touch screen, but a bigger screen makes a very noticeable difference in how usable the camera feed is.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I love having a dumb car. My wife has a modern car and my experience is superior in almost every way. She has to select a temperature and then her AC system blasts her with freezing or burning air until it decides the car is at the desired temperature. Since the selector only goes down to 65, it's impossible to get medium-temperature air on a nippy day. My dash, on the other hand, has a dial that goes from cold to ho…

> I love having a dumb car.

Did you find a newish one?

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

In the US in May of 2018, a federal law went into effect saying all new cars require a backup camera. This means that there needs to be an LCD screen visible to the driver for the camera. This is sort of a slippery slope as far as feature creep. Now that you have this screen, aren't drivers going to expect to see something on it 99% of the time when they aren't backing up? Actually this leads me to realize why some a…

I bought an aftermarket camera that's like ford's, but it just slips over the old mirror. Thing is great, shoots 4k and is not integrated to the car's system. Also has voice commands, so its super easy to use the real mirror or any other functions. Screen in the mirror is the way.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US in May of 2018, a federal law went into effect saying all new cars require a backup camera. This means that there needs to be an LCD screen visible to the driver for the camera. This is sort of a slippery slope as far as feature creep. Now that you have this screen, aren't drivers going to expect to see something on it 99% of the time when they aren't backing up? Actually this leads me to realize why some a…

My 2012 volvo has a reasonably large LCD that is used for the backup camera, and infotainment etc. However, I have it set to screen saver mode, and it is completely powered down until I put the car in reverse. It also wakes for certain things like displaying the temperature if I change it with the real knobs. The Speedometer and Rev counter are physical needles. Newer models have replaced these with a central LCD, wh…

Yep, my 2009 Volvo has a popup screen that can be pushed down into the dash. I like it because I almost never use the reversing camera, but on the rare occasion I want to it's available. The rest of the car is all physical controls.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Bought a Mazda CX5 a few months ago. Thank god Mazda currently has the "driver first" mentality. NO Touchscreen! Main input is through a comfortable knob in front of the arm rest, where your hand naturally lands when resting. Gauge cluster is digital, but analog type dials for spedo, etc. AC, Power Cool/heated seats, driver assists, auto-park, all controlled via BUTTONS! It's a modern miracle and one of the big reaso…

I hated that knob interface in my Mazda, and it seems less safe since I need to scroll and watch the screen to see when the item I want to click is highlighted. A touch screen seems less distracting. It's been a few years since I had it, but using it with Android Auto was super frustrating.

I grew to love the Mazda "Commander Knob" or the combo-joystick/click rotator. It felt clumsy at first, but once I got used to CarPlay's interfaces muscle memory really started kicking in and I became accustomed to feeling the number of 'clicks' to rotate to get where I needed. I primarily interact with CarPlay using Siri though.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Our Volvo doesn't let you adjust the volume when you're in reverse. That means if you're backing out of the garage and the music is blaring -- you can't turn it off! The Volvo UI pops up an almost full-display warning when it can't connect to the phone over bluetooth on startup. This UI takes priority over the rear camera . So I guess it's better to hit Timmy and his puppy when I'm backing out, so long as I know my p…

I had a rental V90 last year, and it was easily the dumbest smart car I've ever had the displeasure of driving. Comically bad in some cases. Death by a thousand cuts. Little things like you say, or the fact that it would blare about the front parking sensor detecting the wall when I put the car in reverse, etc. I ended up spending a few minutes going through all the menus turning stuff off.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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post #274

I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

> these unwanted smart features Only within the niche HN-type tech crowd. Most people outside of this group want these features, even other techies, including myself. It's the same discussion on any thread involving smart devices. People want this stuff, that's why there have been over 200M standalone smart speakers sold. As far as why these things get bundled, that’s just how auto manufacturing works. Every unique c…

I do like bluetooth, power seat memory, 360 cameras, etc. But please, for the love of usability, don't bury all of the HVAC and Audio controls in a touchscreen menu. I want real knobs and buttons for all of that stuff. Even Volvo, a company focused on safety, moved nearly all of the HVAC controls to their touchscreen.
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