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Please make a dumb car

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Re: Please make a dumb car

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I've always taken the stance of cars being nothing more than a product to transport me. I've always found it hard to justify spending $30k more because that one has a nice leather interior, touch screens, and looks prettier. They both do the same job, we'll both arrive at the office at the same time.

A $50 used deck with bluetooth is all the tech I need.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

Did you look into Subaru? They are still using physical controls for all car functionality. You can get heated seats, heated steering, stereoscopic lane keep assist & adaptive cruise control, etc. There is a touch screen, but I only use it for Apple Car Play.

Same for our 2021 Mazda crossover. Lcd screen but no touch screen. Just a spin/tilt/press knob for media/settings. Climate control is a dedicated physical panel. It was a big selling point fornus

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I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

> these unwanted smart features Only within the niche HN-type tech crowd. Most people outside of this group want these features, even other techies, including myself. It's the same discussion on any thread involving smart devices. People want this stuff, that's why there have been over 200M standalone smart speakers sold. As far as why these things get bundled, that’s just how auto manufacturing works. Every unique c…

my dad has been trading his truck in every few years for as long as I've been alive. every time he would get new bells and whistles to play around with and it made him happy. his last truck trade-in, two years ago, was miserable. the new Ford truck had all kinds of shit he'd never use like a wi-fi hotspot and such, but with all these new doodads came more points of failure—he took it to the shop to get something fixed multiple times per week for a few weeks before selling the truck and getting a more simple & reliable SUV instead.

people want fancy bells & whistles in their vehicles right up until it makes them a maintenance nightmare—you want your car to just work, like they largely used to.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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My 1999 Honda CR-V I bought in college still runs and I love the simplicity of the interface. Air controls are a three evenly spaced knobs and a few buttons. The instrument cluster has everything you need with easy to read physical gauges (though I do wish it had battery voltage like my 92 Jeep did). The interface has aged super well because of its simplicity -- it doesn't feel outdated.

I replaced the stereo with the cheapest CarPlay unit I can find for navigation, phone charging, and media playback. I love this too since my only screen-based ui in the car gets updates with every new iOS.

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> these unwanted smart features Only within the niche HN-type tech crowd. Most people outside of this group want these features, even other techies, including myself. It's the same discussion on any thread involving smart devices. People want this stuff, that's why there have been over 200M standalone smart speakers sold. As far as why these things get bundled, that’s just how auto manufacturing works. Every unique c…

I'm always surprised how defeatist and negative the tech community's attitude towards computerized UX in cars is. Often the opinions are simplistic and dismissive instead of zooming into the details. It's similar to when onscreen keyboards in phones where "obviously never going to work" when now, most people probably wouldn't want to give up the screen real estate for a hardware keyboard, except even more one-note. I…

Then they are charging their buyers 30k to beta test, and leaving buyers with no other option, which, I don't think most people are comfortable with. I think it's easily identifiable to the HN crowd, because most readers are very familiar with this process and the discomfort it can cause.

Then you add on the argument of what they are doing with the information, and if they can be trusted..

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I see this problem in other things too. I wanted to buy a radio, but the only option I have is an boxed in android phone running apps and a DAB receiver. I only need two functions, a knob to change channels and one to adjust volume. If I need to play music, some aux input would be nice - that’s it!

There are some very cheap handheld FM radios. What's the problem?

FM has mostly been replaced by DAB where I live. But that is not the point. The point is that the industry is incapable of making a simple and good DAB radio. As the only (afaik) country in the world who have transitioned to DAB, there are little incentive for radio manufacturers to create decent radios.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

In the US in May of 2018, a federal law went into effect saying all new cars require a backup camera. This means that there needs to be an LCD screen visible to the driver for the camera. This is sort of a slippery slope as far as feature creep. Now that you have this screen, aren't drivers going to expect to see something on it 99% of the time when they aren't backing up? Actually this leads me to realize why some a…

> In the US in May of 2018, a federal law went into effect saying all new cars require a backup camera.

This law actually says that if a car can't meet a prescribed rear visibility threshold it needs a backup camera. Instead of make safer designs manufacturers just install cameras.

But I don't disagree manufacturers are using screens as an excuse to add superfluous bullshit they'll then use for data mining. See USC 2342 Unintended Consequences, Law of.

My favorite part of backup camera is manufacturers that put a warning overlay on the video telling you to watch your surroundings. An overlay that eats up some significant percentage of the screen occulting potential hazards you might otherwise see. I for one can't wait for the backup camera to display ads in the lower third. If they take up enough space manufacturers could make a mint selling personal injury and insurance ads.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Toyota should introduce the brand new 1999 Corolla.

Right! If this "dumb car" aesthetic is really such a hit, then there are a lot of cars from the 90's that are ready to buy and plenty of shops that are eager to overhaul your old clunker into a hot new legendary UI of a car!

Of course, it isn't a hit. The fact is most people want smart cars.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Our Volvo doesn't let you adjust the volume when you're in reverse. That means if you're backing out of the garage and the music is blaring -- you can't turn it off! The Volvo UI pops up an almost full-display warning when it can't connect to the phone over bluetooth on startup. This UI takes priority over the rear camera . So I guess it's better to hit Timmy and his puppy when I'm backing out, so long as I know my p…

I'm a UX designer and I've taken delivery of an XC40 Recharge two months ago, and I've never felt dumber in my life. Don't get me wrong, the car is absolutely wonderful, but the UX is so badly designed it makes me question myself. For starters, I have absolutely no clue how to use the lights, fans and wipers. Just last Saturday, a design oversight (and idiocy from my part) caused me to reverse into another car parked…

> it shouldn't have let me reverse any more as it was seeing a clear obstacle behind me or at least make me double check by beeping

My backup camera frequently loses its shit because it gets obstructed by rain or snow, or sometimes paint on the ground fakes it out. If the only sensor is a camera, that must not override the driver. Beeping is fine. I might feel differently about lidar.

On that topic, though... I really wish backup cameras had some sort of wiper.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Our Volvo doesn't let you adjust the volume when you're in reverse. That means if you're backing out of the garage and the music is blaring -- you can't turn it off! The Volvo UI pops up an almost full-display warning when it can't connect to the phone over bluetooth on startup. This UI takes priority over the rear camera . So I guess it's better to hit Timmy and his puppy when I'm backing out, so long as I know my p…

I get why, but my Volvo (2017) WILL NOT let me lock the keys in the car. Which is annoying if I'm trying to safely warm it up on a -15 Minnesota day and have the spare keys in the house. There's lots of forums detailing tricks involving rolling the windows down or locking the car from the back seat. I love all the tech automation and safety features, but at times I find myself befuddled by the designers choices.

Odd. I believe my 2018 model year Volvo allows me to start the car, take the key with me, and lock the doors (so long as I take my key fob with me).
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