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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by mikro2nd »

xnyan wrote: post #307
fortran77 wrote: post #96

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I have a Miele speed oven that arrived with a major defect: Microwave worked, but heat modes didn't. They sent a repair crew and there was a missing wire harness in the circuitry. It never could have worked. My experience with "high end" appliances in general (Bosch, Miele, Wolf, Subzero) is that it's a tax on "rich people". They're not better than top-line LG, etc.

I have to sort-of disagree with you! I've used 100s of dishwashers (used to work at a test lab) and Miele dishwashers are indisputably "better" (more on that below) than anything else on the consumer market, and I would be completely willing to bet you a nice dinner that you would agree after using one. Same for their vacuums, they are on a completely different level of performance than anything else I've used. All t…

Maybe... uh... get rid of the carpets in favour of your choice of flooring?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by twobitshifter »

buro9 wrote: post #5

Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

If your dishwasher Shopping don’t get caught up in the Miele brand. Wire cutter put them below almost all other brands including whirlpool Maytag and GE in terms of cleaning. Of course they still do have a good reputation for reliability.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-dishwash...

>Miele’s cleaning performance is strong, but not quite the best we’ve found. We tested two different Classic Plus units (both installed in our office in Long Island City, New York), and they struggled a bit with the stubbornest foods, including a cheese-and-bean plate, egg, oatmeal, and burnt brownie. Miele’s model was a step behind the Bosch, Whirlpool, Maytag, and even GE dishwashers we tested. Consumer Reports (“Quick Guide: Dishwashers,” Consumer Reports Buying Guide 2021, pp. 23–25) also rates Miele just a tick below the best performers. But with most loads, most of the time, a Miele should still get everything totally clean.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #252
masklinn wrote: post #207

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> I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. Time-delay is in fact a rather useful feature e.g. 1. I may not want to start the dishwasher at 11 PM, especially if I’m in a condo and will prevent neighbours from sleeping 2. depending on the specifics of the dishwasher & local water, I may want it to finish soon before I come home so I can quickly dry the dishes (e.g. if wat…

Every dishwasher I've seen has a time-delay feature. Regardless, if this is a Miele, it will be so quiet that it definitely won't prevent anyone from sleeping. And isn't the dishwasher supposed to dry the dishes itself?

I totally forgot that feature existed.

My wife starts work earlier than me, so goes to bed sooner, but takes a shower before bed. She often asks me to start the dishwasher after she finishes showering (So the water temp in her shower doesn't fluctuate while the dishwasher fills), and then I forget all about it.

I need to just hit that Delay button.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by specialist »

Are there any open source appliances? Like the FOSS farming gear?

I've repaired most of my appliances multiple times. Most recently my Kenmore Series 70 dryer. Very satisfying. Should last another decade, easily.

All my pre-CPU appliances are simple and obvious. Really seems like low hanging fruit. Only challenge is sourcing correct parts.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by prox »

ho_schi wrote: post #222
michaelt wrote: post #51

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> The Wi-Fi is useful [...] Performs updates, etc. Ah yes, get wifi so your dishwasher can get security updates, which you need because your dishwasher is on wifi.

LESSON: KISS Do never connect things to any network - and especially the internet - if it is not required for operation. What worries are people which blindly request "more digitalization". We need resilience, not digitalization! Once a unnamed person complained about the fact the the Boeing 747-400 still gets flight data updates with a floppy. They argued it should use WiFi and central updates from a server and so o…

Yeah but it’s so cool ? /s

Seriously I don’t understand the need at all to have your kitchen be connected to wifi at all. Not everything needs to be quantified, unless you use measuring cups for cooking.

Second I can’t trust manufacturers to rush something out the door to “fix it in post”

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by pessimizer »

OtomotO wrote: post #46

My dishwasher needs no software. The dishwasher I buy will never need software. I am a software engineer and I love technology, but I love simple technology and when something doesn't need software, I don't add software just for the sake of having software.

> The dishwasher I buy will never need software.

Not going to have that option in 5 years. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't require a Google Play account.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by Auracle »

tasha0663 wrote: post #333
LeanderK wrote: post #274

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> Bosch is bosch really a "high-end" appliances company? I always considered it mid-range company, producing appliances for the middle-class.

Definitely middling quality and design. Our Bosch dishwasher has the worst UI. Nothing exterior at all, only buttons inside the door itself. There's a secret button combo to set the "done" alarm to one of 4 volume settings: too loud, even louder, why is this so f'ing loud, and silent. So you either get a horrible noise that rings intermittently until you open it, or you get to play guessing games.

Our Breville toaster oven has the same loudness settings, but only 3 total. You clearly have the ability to set the loudness - give me a really quiet (but not silent) option damnit. I have a baby in the house.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by SilasX »

PebblesRox wrote: post #331
epicide wrote: post #297

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If you already have the dishwasher loaded with the dishes before you leave for work, why not just run it then?

We try to avoid running our dishwasher when our toddler is around because he will interfere with the cycle, but sometimes we forget to start it right before heading out the door. Remote start would be handy in a case like that :)

Still an overengineered solution -- a better feature would be some kind of access lock. Either a keycode or something requiring a lot of strength to remove.

(Edit: With that said, I am reluctant to leave the dishwasher on when I'm not present for the first cycle just because of the risk of something going wrong that wasn't adequately checked for.)

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by jacquesm »

So screw them then. Miele is fantastic stuff but I really don't need my white goods to phone home, and if it worked in the factory, then I will assume it works here in my home.

Even if you can skip this (Looking at you too, Bosch) it doesn't matter, it shouldn't even be there, and a dishwasher has no business to be on the internet.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by adolph »

pmontra wrote: post #79
michaelt wrote: post #51

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> The Wi-Fi is useful [...] Performs updates, etc. Ah yes, get wifi so your dishwasher can get security updates, which you need because your dishwasher is on wifi.

To be fair, it could also get functionality updates. For example they could upload a new totally different UX loved by the designers and that nobody else understands how to use ;-)

> functionality updates

The only UI a dishwasher needs is "wash" and "dishes in here are still clean don't put in dirty dishes yet." I've yet to see a dishwasher do the latter with the necessary nuance.

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