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My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Every dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.

Don't use detergent pods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

Super informative! Saying that I use pods and my dishes come out perfect. Might be because we do them daily so nothing is ever too crusted on.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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"the Wi-Fi is useful... the dishwasher auto-doses the powder, rinse aid, salt, etc... and can let me know the levels of those." I do appreciate your respect for the usefulness of this functionality -- I just throw my laundry in the machine, press ON and then press START, throw in a random amount of soap and 60 minutes later or so I have clean clothes.

> I just throw my laundry in the machine Into the dishwasher?

https://xkcd.com/2420/

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Nope, that's how you're "supposed" to use them. Seriously, you too can save a bunch of electricity and wasted time by pre-washing stuff before putting it in the dishwasher. I do agree that it sounds like satire, though.

Says who? This is from Miele's user manual: > There is no need to rinse items under running water! Dishwashers already pre-wash with an initial rinse cycle, the whole point is that they do the washing for you. It's also a whole lot more efficient in terms of water waste. The problem is when you don't give that first cycle any powder to work with, ie. if you're using pods.

> The problem is when you don't give that first cycle any powder to work with, ie. if you're using pods.

That is really interesting, as I do use pods. I need to look into this more.

More generally, I have had a lot more success with not needing to re-wash things if I rinse before hand (but I don't have a miele).

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

I wish my dishwasher could automaticly start whenver the price of electricity was low. I can manualle delay it by doing simple math in my head and forecasting prices, but it would be easier and more foolproof if I could script it with IFTTT.

In some countries with day/night tariff appliancies can trivially detect nighttime by voltage.

It's been used for decades and it's extremely cheap and reliable.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Miele (and BSH) is really good at industrial design in my experience so I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that. However, I also don't really see a particular reason why a dishwasher needs WiFi. Do people actually like... check on them and come running to unload it when it's done? I suppose for checking if it needs dishwasher salt or rinse aid it could make sense but ... eh

>I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that I don't think that post was necessarily directed at Miele, but at designers designing for design sake in general. > come running to unload it when it's done? You don't? You must be one of those people that never unloads the dishwasher until you need something that's in it? weirdo! /s

> You don't? You must be one of those people that never unloads the dishwasher until you need something that's in it? weirdo! /s

Load in the evening, unload in the morning.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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My bed tried to kill me last week. My bed has an app. Because of course it does. The bed logs sleep (and, presumably, other activities) and then sends all the data to the manufacturer. I don't want it to do this, so I explicitly opt out in the app. The problem is that it keeps asking and there isn't a good way to permanently disable the creepy behavior. Back to the attempted murder - last week, I opened the app to ad…

Anton Yelchin was killed by a software gearshift.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

My LG TV would not let we watch until I updated my Terms of Service. The only option was to agree or not be able to use the TV I had already purchased and paid for.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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My dad got a smart heater, for my parents holiday home. The idea is that he can check temperature, and prevent frost damage from home. Yesterday he ask: "What happens it the company that makes the App decides that they don't what to do that anymore, or they go out of business?". Well, then the smart thingy stops being smart.

This is exactly why Stallman invented free software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-impor... .

If I buy a smart heater that connects to some backend using free software and the company shuts off that backend I'm sure as heck not solving that problem by editing the software and reinstalling it to do some new different thing. And I'm a professional software engineer.

Free software means that in theory you can modify and maintain the software you run on your machines to your liking (not hardware though, or backends). But this is so incredibly far beyond the capabilities of the enormous majority of people that it might as well not be a thing in the first place.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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If you already have the dishwasher loaded with the dishes before you leave for work, why not just run it then?

Off-peak electricity pricing, not wanting to wake/disturb others with noise, not wanting to consume too much hot water before the rest of the house showers or uses the clothes washer...

My 15yr old dishwasher does this with a timer functionality. This doesn’t sound like the strongest use case.
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