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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by rustybelt »

Aeolun wrote: post #239
nsxwolf wrote: post #192

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Every dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.

As long as I clean my dishes before I put them in the washer, I never have any issues.

Mom? Is that you?

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Post by raxxorrax »

Ma8ee wrote: post #215
nsxwolf wrote: post #192

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Every dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.

We just run the normal eco program without any extras. The dishes get perfectly clean every time as long as nothing hinders the rotating arms that spray water.

Depends on the size of your household a bit. If it runs every second day, it should not be a problem. If you save dishes for a week or two, the additional water from the intensive program really helps to get rid of dried out dirt.

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Post by kragen »

scrollaway wrote: post #61
stragies wrote: post #18

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Yeah, that tweet is click-bait meant to generate outrage clicks and follows. Most of the submissions on the front-page have -at best- incomplete titles.

I'd have given the poster the benefit of the doubt but then they come out with hate-inciting nonsense trash like this: https://twitter.com/isislovecruft/status/1487947782585417728 I don't even know what to make of that anymore. Just because it's self-deprecating doesn't make it okay.

Jesus, that's appalling.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by eropple »

herbstein wrote: post #59
throwaway2048 wrote: post #27

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yes, clearly it is the user's fault that their dishwasher wont work without an update.

As the GGP said, the menu can be exited without updating by scrolling down. The interface isn't intuitive, but it's not a hard block.

If the UI does not make clear the actions you are allowed to perform, it isn't letting you do something.

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Post by chasd00 »

bmj wrote: post #82
tyingq wrote: post #35

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Most of them are sort of silly, but it does have some options that make use of the "smartness". The manual is here: https://www.mieleusa.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070/10546880-000-01_1... Most of the smart stuff is in "settings" starting on page 64. Stuff like configuring it to run only during a low electric rate period (nights). Notifying you when filters need changing. Keeping track of detergent reservoir levels.

My (non-internet connected) washing machine does this very thing. Why does an appliance need to be connected to a network to provide this functionality? So I can track it on my phone? As another comment pointed out, until these appliances can load themselves, I still need to be physically present at some point in time. An LED indicator can tell me to clean the filter or fill the cleaning reservoir, and I don't have t…

if phone integration was the reason for it all couldn't it be done cheaper and easier over bluetooth? i think the only reason for inet connected dishwasher is stats gathering to help craft a more effective sales campaign for more dishwashers.

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Post by jancsika »

imiric wrote: post #234
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #122

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I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. The dishes get clean and it has no software just buttons. If the dishes get clean what further enhancements needed to be done?

> The dishes get clean and it has no software just buttons. Playing devil's advocate, all modern appliances run software to some extent. A modern dishwasher that does auto-dispensing will be particularly more complex. > If the dishes get clean what further enhancements needed to be done? It's not out of the question that the firmware might need to be updated to manage liquids more efficiently, tweak cycle timings, pr…

> A modern dishwasher that does auto-dispensing will be particularly more complex.

Show me the evidence that a "complex" auto-dispenser gets dishes cleaner than a mere pre-wash + main wash dispenser.

The only argument I could see is that people who use tablets exclusively aren't currently able to use the pre-wash, thus giving them a substandard wash. But then you have to ask-- if the detergent manufacturers have already successfully marketed a tablet of detergent that doesn't conform to the design of the dishwasher and thus degrades the wash quality, what makes you think a firmware update from the manufacturer couldn't, say, improve the energy efficiency while degrading the overall washing quality?

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Post by xnyan »

fortran77 wrote: post #96
uxp100 wrote: post #75

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Hah, I have an AC window unit from Miele that is a great piece of hardware. But the app, my god, it's so bad. Every launch of the app requires a log in. Every log in error messages pop up about api endpoint such and such, but it works anyway. If a command fails, which it does half the time, the app gets out of sync with the unit (i.e. app will say fan speed medium, unit will say fan speed low). So I guess it syncs st…

I have a Miele speed oven that arrived with a major defect: Microwave worked, but heat modes didn't. They sent a repair crew and there was a missing wire harness in the circuitry. It never could have worked. My experience with "high end" appliances in general (Bosch, Miele, Wolf, Subzero) is that it's a tax on "rich people". They're not better than top-line LG, etc.

I have to sort-of disagree with you! I've used 100s of dishwashers (used to work at a test lab) and Miele dishwashers are indisputably "better" (more on that below) than anything else on the consumer market, and I would be completely willing to bet you a nice dinner that you would agree after using one. Same for their vacuums, they are on a completely different level of performance than anything else I've used.

All that said, I do not own a Miele dishwasher because it's benefits are not worth the high cost to me, however I have severe allergies and while I hated to pay for it, a Miele vacuum has ruined me for all other vacuums.

*Not a Miele salesman, just love very clean carpets. I'd be thrilled to learn about a cheaper alternative that can remove hair/dander/dust and etc as well from carpets as a Miele can, but so far nothing has come close.

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Post by dylan604 »

cproctor wrote: post #264
buro9 wrote: post #5

Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

I think in the end it's not abut utility--adding "smart" lets you dramatically bump the price. Look at smoke detectors (as an example I was thinking about this morning): the best-rated (Consumer Reports) wired smoke detector costs $31. Ten-year sealed battery models cost less. But the smart smoke detectors start at $130. These cost another $2 in hardware and some dev (and probably certification) costs to recoup, but…

I'm not sure. Look at "smart" TVs. Their prices continue to go down. Why? They are heavily subsidized by all of the analytics they earn from the data you provide them. By lowering the price, it makes it easier to sell to more and more people. Raising the prices does not.

Not sure of the number of units sold comparing dishwashers vs TVs, so maybe there's not enough volume in dishwasher? Also, I can only imagine the analytics data from TV viewing is much more informative/beneficial than how many times someone washes dishes.

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Post by danShumway »

eropple wrote: post #304
herbstein wrote: post #59

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As the GGP said, the menu can be exited without updating by scrolling down. The interface isn't intuitive, but it's not a hard block.

If the UI does not make clear the actions you are allowed to perform, it isn't letting you do something .

Eh. I'm not saying that bad or deceptive UI isn't something worth talking about, but I think there is a really tangible difference between something being difficult to find and being impossible to do.

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Post by josho »

fullstop wrote: post #187
mywacaday wrote: post #150

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The electricity and water efficiency are likely terrible compared to a modern machine.

I don't doubt that, and I've considered replacing it. The lifespan of a "modern" dishwasher is about 10 years, a far cry from the 30 years that mine has run. In the time that I've had mine, I would have had to replace a modern one about three times. I think that new ones would be more water efficient, but I do not see new ones being more efficient electrically. Mine is plumbed to hot water, so the heating elements ar…

To your point any efficiency gained by a newer model is lost by the increased replacement cost and energy to produce a new unit every 7-10 years.
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