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My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by paganel »

buro9 wrote: post #5

Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

> the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu)

This should merit a post all by itself.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by frosted-flakes »

masklinn wrote: post #207
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. The dishes get clean and it has no software just buttons. If the dishes get clean what further enhancements needed to be done?

> I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. Time-delay is in fact a rather useful feature e.g. 1. I may not want to start the dishwasher at 11 PM, especially if I’m in a condo and will prevent neighbours from sleeping 2. depending on the specifics of the dishwasher & local water, I may want it to finish soon before I come home so I can quickly dry the dishes (e.g. if wat…

Every dishwasher I've seen has a time-delay feature. Regardless, if this is a Miele, it will be so quiet that it definitely won't prevent anyone from sleeping. And isn't the dishwasher supposed to dry the dishes itself?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by titzer »

My dishwater won't drain because the hose that connects to the garbage disposal is clogged. Probably time for a new one (hose). I can fix it with a screwdriver.

In the future, nothing will be fixed because of the incredible complexity of software and the lack of printed manuals. A whole generation of devices will disappear into a black hole. But for a brief period, there was a lot of shareholder value.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by jcelerier »

watwut wrote: post #233
masklinn wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. Time-delay is in fact a rather useful feature e.g. 1. I may not want to start the dishwasher at 11 PM, especially if I’m in a condo and will prevent neighbours from sleeping 2. depending on the specifics of the dishwasher & local water, I may want it to finish soon before I come home so I can quickly dry the dishes (e.g. if wat…

Time-delay does not require remote control at all.

on the other hand I'd rather pull my nails out than input a start time on a washing machine or oven. The UI are always atrocious for this.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by boringg »

fsflover wrote: post #165
boringg wrote: post #132

Can't wait for the dishwashers to start requiring annual fees so that the software keeps working just like MS Office suite. You know it's coming - thats would be a terrible existence.

https://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/5e8f6e0d3a029...

link doesn't work.

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Post by duxup »

zbrozek wrote: post #181
duxup wrote: post #146

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My clothes washer will alert me when it is done. It is handy if you have a lot of laundry to do (kids) and you want to be on top of doing one load after another / not forget.

Is the chime at the end of the cycle inadequate?

My washer is not where I always hear it and the notification on my phone is a handy reminder.

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Post by Aeolun »

fortran77 wrote: post #96
uxp100 wrote: post #75

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Hah, I have an AC window unit from Miele that is a great piece of hardware. But the app, my god, it's so bad. Every launch of the app requires a log in. Every log in error messages pop up about api endpoint such and such, but it works anyway. If a command fails, which it does half the time, the app gets out of sync with the unit (i.e. app will say fan speed medium, unit will say fan speed low). So I guess it syncs st…

I have a Miele speed oven that arrived with a major defect: Microwave worked, but heat modes didn't. They sent a repair crew and there was a missing wire harness in the circuitry. It never could have worked. My experience with "high end" appliances in general (Bosch, Miele, Wolf, Subzero) is that it's a tax on "rich people". They're not better than top-line LG, etc.

> They're not better than top-line LG, etc.

Maybe, maybe not. But a lot of those companies haven’t existed for longer than my latest washer.

You buy those brands because you know exactly what you get. Basically guaranteed performance for the next 10 years, and very likely after.

I do wish they didn’t jump on the app bandwagon, but they really have no choice since the rabble wants it. I swear people will pick an appliance with an app simply so they don’t have to press the preheat button on their oven. And you can do it from the couch! Never mind that you don’t ever do that…

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

nsxwolf wrote: post #247
Aeolun wrote: post #239

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As long as I clean my dishes before I put them in the washer, I never have any issues.

Was that intended to be ironic?

Nope, that's how you're "supposed" to use them.

Seriously, you too can save a bunch of electricity and wasted time by pre-washing stuff before putting it in the dishwasher.

I do agree that it sounds like satire, though.

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Post by formerly_proven »

nsxwolf wrote: post #192
buro9 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Updates improve wash efficiency, etc. Not just security updates. Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Maybe there's a better dosing for certain levels of water hardness. But the gist is that it updates the whole module. I'm fine with this, Miele are like Bosch in that they look after the hardware they sell for decades rather than considering it deprecated the day it leaves a shop floor.

Every dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.

Does your dishwasher have a water softening system?
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