This is what happens when engineers are overruled by marketing. It gets Wifi because the competition has Wifi. The competition has Wifi because some committee thought it was a great way to upsell the product.
My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Updates improve wash efficiency, etc. Not just security updates. Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Maybe there's a better dosing for certain levels of water hardness. But the gist is that it updates the whole module. I'm fine with this, Miele are like Bosch in that they look after the hardware they sell for decades rather than considering it deprecated the day it leaves a shop floor.
In theory, but in practice it doesn't actually matter enough for it to make a difference. What software-only advances are being made in wash efficiency these days?
Release notes state they added and extra "dub" to the "scrubba-dub" routine. It is now a scrubba-dub-dub routine.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#153My dishwasher needs no software. The dishwasher I buy will never need software. I am a software engineer and I love technology, but I love simple technology and when something doesn't need software, I don't add software just for the sake of having software.
> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. If you have that option. Not sure if you've shopped for white goods recently, but the options without wifi are relatively few, and mostly lower end models. We needed a new stove, I wanted one without wifi/internet connectivity. Due to the above and supply chain issues that limited availability of a lot of models, I didn't have a choice and ended up with a model with wi…
Supply chain issues aside, I don't think that's true. This is about Miele, none of which are lower end, and here's the first dishwasher I randomly looked at on their site, and it has no Wifi. https://www.mieleusa.com/e/built-under-dishwasher-g-7106-scu...
You still have to specifically choose a Wifi one. (Though again, I can see if availability issues might throw a wrench into that if you needed one right away.)
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#154Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…
I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. The dishes get clean and it has no software just buttons. If the dishes get clean what further enhancements needed to be done?
In case of modern appliances, you are not the only customer/user of the product. Other customers are various advertisers that are interested in data about you. The updates provide enhancements for these other customers.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
We have one it’s great. The ability to start it, and confirm it’s started is a game changer. Especially because it’s preloaded with the chemicals. We don’t want to start it until we’re sure all the floating dishes actually got loaded. There’s a stray dish, a glass, life’s just a little chaotic getting dinner cleaned up and everyone to bed. We forget or we hit start but someone else opens it to add something. Without…
Wouldn't a simple LED indicator have the same result? My "dumb" dishwasher has a small light it shines on the floor when it's on. Also, if I set it up and close it without actually starting it, it beeps to let me know.
If I’m in the kitchen sure!
But after a 10hr work da bookended by 2 hrs on each side playing with my daughter and 1hr of dealing with life stuff I want to get into bed.
Beds on the second floor…I can get up and go downstairs and check the light. Or I can look at an app on my phone.
I’ll totally admit, I was incredibly anti smart appliance. I don’t want a tablet on my fridge. But done well, done quietly, they can actually put some really nice features in my life.
Washer/dryer - I can keep loads of laundry moving while working in the yard and I get an alert when the dryers done
Fridge- reminds me when it needs a new water filter and let’s me auto reorder it from Amazon. If it breaks a tech can remotely troubleshoot it and bring the right part the first time.
Dishwasher - see above. It also has the little light.
Until I was a parent. I would have laughed at all of that. And I still follow internetofshit on twitter
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Updates improve wash efficiency, etc. Not just security updates. Maybe a new cleaning powder comes with a new algo. Maybe there's a better dosing for certain levels of water hardness. But the gist is that it updates the whole module. I'm fine with this, Miele are like Bosch in that they look after the hardware they sell for decades rather than considering it deprecated the day it leaves a shop floor.
In theory, but in practice it doesn't actually matter enough for it to make a difference. What software-only advances are being made in wash efficiency these days?
None, because they didn't have OTA updates... until now!
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes, clearly it is the user's fault that their dishwasher wont work without an update.
As the GGP said, the menu can be exited without updating by scrolling down. The interface isn't intuitive, but it's not a hard block.
But what about not needing to do a software update when all I want is to wash dishes?
It would be best if most machines didn't talk to us, at all. Press a button: it runs. Nothing more.
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#158I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?
I wish my dishwasher could automaticly start whenver the price of electricity was low. I can manualle delay it by doing simple math in my head and forecasting prices, but it would be easier and more foolproof if I could script it with IFTTT.
I doubt the cost in engineer hours would ever pay for your savings. Dishwashers don't use much water.
Normally I'd say someone should check the numbers, but this time I think you have better things to do...
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#159Why is this human not following the orders of their dishwasher?
The human is probably still running on their original V1 firmware (which has a large number of known bugs)
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
My dishwasher is from 1992. It's from the era of packet radio and pre-dates WiFi. I can't imagine using some smart phone app to manage a dishwasher.
The electricity and water efficiency are likely terrible compared to a modern machine.
OTOH, modern machines have difficulties to clean and dry the dishes.