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What is the inverse of a circle?

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Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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post #3

on 1.2) is 1 divided by zero not undefined instead of infinite?

It is convenient to posit, or "define" a (unique) point at infinity which is the inverse of 0. That way, a lot of propositions work out without extra special cases. It was misleading of the author to just say "pretend infinity is a real number".

Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The multiplicative inverse, or reciprocal, or the inverse of a number, is a function acting on a number, 1/x, or x^-1.

Isn't this a case of multiplication being such a "well-known" function that the "inverse" defaults to "multiplicative inverse"?

No, inverse means reciprocal only when the context is a number or algebraic variable.

If we're talking about trig functions, inverse sine or arcsine is very different than just the reciprocal of the sine.

If we're talking about images, inverse usually means "rotate 180 degrees" or "color inversion".

Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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post #14

The answer is “it depends on how you defined the operation that acts on the circle”

As long as, C*Cinv = I, where C is the circle, Cinv is the inverse of circle, and I the identity. You're right. C, I, and * are entirely up in the air.

In general for inversion, we have object A (argument) and object I (identity) and a function F of two arguments, so we have equations: `F(A, X) == I, F(A, I) == I, F(X, I) == I, A != I, A != X`, where A, I, and X are objects in the same category, i.e. they must be circles `(x² + y² == r²)`.

If F is defined as `ra•rx`, then `ri == 1`, and inverse will be `rx = 1/ra`.

If F is defined as `ra + rx`, then `ri == 0`, and inverse will be `rx = 0 - ra`, where negative radius means hole.

If F is defined as `ra²•rx²`, then `ri == 1²`, and inverse will be `rx = sqrt(1/ra²)`.

If F is defined as `ra² + rx²`, then `ri == 0²`, and inverse will be `rx = sqrt(0 - ra²)`.

And so on.

Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this a case of multiplication being such a "well-known" function that the "inverse" defaults to "multiplicative inverse"?

No, inverse means reciprocal only when the context is a number or algebraic variable. If we're talking about trig functions, inverse sine or arcsine is very different than just the reciprocal of the sine. If we're talking about images, inverse usually means "rotate 180 degrees" or "color inversion".

I think we’re on the same page. The point I was trying to make is that reciprocal/multiplicative inverse in every day use seems like it’s a property of a number and not of a function only because most people just assume that the function we’re inverting is multiplication. The comment I was replying to missed that.

Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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Maybe this article is way over my head, but is it not really simple?

If my function to generate a circle is a simple for loop 0 to 2 PI.

Then the inverse of that maps each point on the circle back to a line with points between 0 and 2 PI.

Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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This article is interesting but not rigorous I think.

* The inverse of a geometric shape makes no sense. We only inverse operations.

* aa^-1 = 1 only if you consider the multiplication over reals.

* 1/0 is not equal to infinity.

Because the article is interesting but some people might be put off by the first few sentences, I suggest to had a disclaimer that this article lean on edutainment to the detriment of rigorous mathematics.

Re: What is the inverse of a circle?

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Maybe this article is way over my head, but is it not really simple? If my function to generate a circle is a simple for loop 0 to 2 PI. Then the inverse of that maps each point on the circle back to a line with points between 0 and 2 PI.

You're thinking of the inverse of the function. There's also a lot hidden in your function as generating a circle from an angle requires sin and cos functions. These are repeating functions so asin and acos don't result necessarily represent a single angle (e.g. if 1.5pi is returned, does it mean 1.5pi, 3.5pi or 5.5pi). Similarly, if you invert the formula for the unit circle, taking the square-root of the terms results in both positive and negative values.

This article is instead talking about the inverse per the identity a * 1/a = 1.

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