Ah, chess is fine as it is. It's just we meek humans are no longer the ones who play it best.
Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero
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Re: Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero
#12There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
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#13Great read. Interesting variations to the rules. Here's an annotated quote: "The nine changes considered in this study are listed in Table 1. No-castling and No-castling (10) involve a full and partial [not allowed during first 10 turns / 20 plies] restriction on the castling rule. Pawn-one-square, Semi-torpedo [can move 2 squares on 2ed and 3rd ranks], Torpedo [can move 2 squares], Pawn-back [up to your 2ed rank, do…
Yeah, chess.com and Lichess both have a bunch of variants.
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#14These changes don't change complexity of the game much, while chess can be altered to have much higher branching factor and move complexity. Check: https://github.com/FrozenVoid/Game-Design-DB/blob/main/Board...
That's not chess, that is a completely different game. The only similarity is that they are both board games.
Re: Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero
#15There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Go.
Of course, this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perf-
Wait a minute, Go is perfect. If we forget about ko rules.
Re: Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero
#16There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Go. Of course, this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perf- Wait a minute, Go is perfect. If we forget about ko rules.
What's wrong with ko rules? I think it's a simple rule and ko fights are an interesting part of go.
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#17There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
There's more than one way to address the problem of draw death besides bughousing captured pieces. Other win conditions are sometimes proposed - something like your king reaching the enemy king's starting square or back rank. Or count stalemate as either a win or some fraction between 0.5 and 1 for the side that inflicted it. Or do the same for draw by insufficient material (bishop or knight) for the superior side.
(I'm not advocating for any of these in particular. Although that's the problem - even if everyone agreed that we should add some kind of win or scoring condition, we'd never get a majority to agree on one solution.)
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#18There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
I can't tell if this is satire. Draws by insufficient material almost never occur in Grandmaster chess. I have not seen a single grandmaster game end this way in a year of watching top-level chess games daily. If you inspect all of the dozens of draws in this world's Tata Steel, which included ~300 GM-level games, you won't find a single that ends this way.
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#19There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
I can't tell if this is satire. Draws by insufficient material almost never occur in Grandmaster chess. I have not seen a single grandmaster game end this way in a year of watching top-level chess games daily. If you inspect all of the dozens of draws in this world's Tata Steel, which included ~300 GM-level games, you won't find a single that ends this way.
>If you inspect all of the dozens of draws in this world's Tata Steel, which included ~300 GM-level games, you won't find a single that ends this way.
Here's one: https://www.chess.com/events/2022-tata-steel-chess-tournamen...
Draws by insufficient material are quite common, but I wouldn't call them the bane of modern chess, or anything close to that.
Re: Reimagining Chess with AlphaZero
#20There is only one way to fix chess and it's called Shogi (A chess style game played in Japan). Shogi is similar to the bughouse chess variant in that captured pieces return to the board on the opponent's side. This prevents draw by insufficient material which is the real bane of Grandmaster level chess. Of course this isn't exactly chess anymore but like any design decision there are no perfect solutions.
I can't tell if this is satire. Draws by insufficient material almost never occur in Grandmaster chess. I have not seen a single grandmaster game end this way in a year of watching top-level chess games daily. If you inspect all of the dozens of draws in this world's Tata Steel, which included ~300 GM-level games, you won't find a single that ends this way.
In addition to what my sibling comment says-- there's a whole lot of draws by agreement because the position is one that everyone knows becomes draws by insufficient material.