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Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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I wrote a message in a bottle when I was young. I still have very dim memories of being excited at the possibility that somebody in another country years later would find it. According to my folks, however, there were some issues. First, I was four years old and couldn't write, and second, I threw the bottle into a small pond. But my parents didn't want to dampen my enthusiasm at the time.

I had a similar experience at the beach around 6 or 7 but it ended with me getting yelled at by some surfers for littering.

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In the right hands and with the right practice, cursive is beautiful and a work of art.

Yes, skilled penmanship and calligraphy is wonderful. But in my personal life, the majority of times I encounter cursive, I can not even read the handwriting, which is, to put it lightly, bad.

I'm equally skilled at illegible writing in block letters or cursive, thanks.

My third grade teacher thought I'd turn out ok, because I'd have a secretary. Sadly, secretaries were out of fashion by the time I graduated college.

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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I dont want to optimize a curriculum, I dont want them to bother with that. Glad to read other decision makers reached the same conclusion.

Personally I'm glad I learned cursive in school, even though I'm terrible at it. Far more valuable than learning about the various species of local turtle, or 1000 other things we did in primary school that I've since forgotten.

Learning about a load of random stuff in primary school is incredibly important. How else do children find out what they're interested in?

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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Good riddance. If people want to learn those arts they can always go to the monetary with their sensei.

If we're honest, most of the actual content of the first 5-7 years or so of schooling is unimportant and ultimately forgotten, save for reading, writing, and basic arithmetic. Ideally some basic computer use too. But it's not like every moment spent on cursive writing in primary school would be a moment taken away from some critical, core subject. Aside from those few key building blocks, most of what you're doing in…

Maybe forgotten in an active sense, but those years are critical for instilling the passive behaviors and expectations which help make us into productive human resources to serve the economy as adults. Things like learning not to talk until called upon, learning to ask before being allowed to use the restroom or for other bodily functions, learning to be identified by an ID number, learning to answer a daily roll-call, learning that our personal possessions will be confiscated at any time, learning to walk through security checkpoints and metal detectors, learning to expect the presence of a School Resource Officer whose job is to perceive students as a possible threat and protect the institution, learning we must dress a certain way, learning to buy our own school supplies necessary to complete our assigned work units, learning that being poor isn’t an acceptable excuse for not having supplies, learning that food won’t be provided for free even though we’re required to be be at school for eight hours straight, learning it is never acceptable to leave school grounds once we check in for the day until officially released at the end of the day, learning that disruptive individuals will be separated from their entire social circle and sent to a stricter alternative facility, learning that authority figures will discuss you with each other behind your back and may form prejudices based on gossip or on your familial relations, learning how it’s best to surpass our peers and that we can’t get the highest grade unless others fail, learning not to read ahead of our current place in the curriculum, learning never to read from unapproved sources, learning that truth is whatever the curriculum says is Officially True, learning how authority figures will punish or shame us for questioning the curriculum or beyond the curriculum because they are evaluated on how accurately we know it and thus must defend it to survive, learning how cooperation is cheating except for group projects where it is instead a thing to dread, learning to expect no privacy, learning to sit inside all day and only have free time once the sun sets, learning to be punished as a group for the actions of an individual, learning to tell on our peers for gold stars from authority, learning that a bell controls our daily schedule but individual authority figures can decide to keep us late anyway, learning to get up uncomfortably early and do a daily commute, learning to survive on less sleep than we need, learning we will be equally punished for tardiness as for absence, learning somebody else needs to write a note to acknowledge when we are sick before it’s believed, learning to be segregated based on sex, learning to be segregated based on seniority and that the oldest cohort will be regularly pushed out with no say in the matter, learning we must find a clique for social defense because loners are weird and deserve bullying, learning how punishments are decided by administrators who don’t know us individually, learning how rewards and punishments may be arbitrary depending on social status within the microcosm of the school, learning that we must also think about school in our free time and use that time to prepare for what’s due tomorrow, learning that “extra-curricular” work is basically a requirement if everyone else is doing it too, learning to walk in long silent alphabetically-sorted lines with our hands clasped behind our backs, etc. You know, important life skills.

If you have a problem with any of that, you have Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Here’s some pills to turn your brain off so you might still have a chance to “‘earn’ a living” and pay off your original sin of being alive. All hail The Economy!

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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In the right hands and with the right practice, cursive is beautiful and a work of art.

And the rest of the time it's illegible scrawl and has no place in basic education. Even [0], the US declaration of independence, is horrendous to read compared to this 8 year old girl's handwriting. https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-declaration-of-independenc... ?

Apart from the low resolution of that scan, I find that easy to read.

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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I had a Danish roommate whose friend found a message in a bottle on a beach in Denmark. It was written in Swedish, and it said, “Fucking Danes”

I imagine it probably said "Danskjävlar". Just some neighborly love from across the strait.

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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post #15

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In the right hands and with the right practice, cursive is beautiful and a work of art.

And the rest of the time it's illegible scrawl and has no place in basic education. Even [0], the US declaration of independence, is horrendous to read compared to this 8 year old girl's handwriting. https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-declaration-of-independenc... ?

That is perfectly legible. Many modern fonts are less legible than that.

I am curious about the opposition to cursive script that some people demonstrate, mostly in the US. In Europe cursive script is the norm; block letter writing by an adult is considered a mark of poor education.

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the right hands and with the right practice, cursive is beautiful and a work of art.

And the rest of the time it's illegible scrawl and has no place in basic education. Even [0], the US declaration of independence, is horrendous to read compared to this 8 year old girl's handwriting. https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-declaration-of-independenc... ?

Not sure which cursive is taught in the US, but to me (having learned cursive writing in Southern Europe in the 90s) that looks surprisingly legible, if not for the quality of the picture in your link. Here's a high-res version: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/United_S...

Except for the "double s" that looks like an "f" (that ligature was common also in fonts for bookprinting at the times, so it's not hard to figure it out if you know that), the rest looks like a better version of the calligraphy I used to have when I was 9/10 years old (and that I wish I still had, now it's a much "simplified" - in shapes, not ease of reading - version of that).

Update: also the single "s" is a bit peculiar, since it's completely different at the beginning VS at the end of a word

Re: Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25 years

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Personally I'm glad I learned cursive in school, even though I'm terrible at it. Far more valuable than learning about the various species of local turtle, or 1000 other things we did in primary school that I've since forgotten.

Learning about a load of random stuff in primary school is incredibly important. How else do children find out what they're interested in?

I don't know anyone that find out what they were interested by learning random things in primary school. I don't think it is a common experience.
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