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Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by decafninja »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #156
decafninja wrote: post #153

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In the context of an investment bank (I’ve worked at both US and UK ones, though they are all multinationals really), MDs would really just be higher ranking middle managers. The highest ranked would be direct reports to the C level. Some are line of business or department heads. I know some traders were MDs despite being “individual contributors” and not desk heads, etc. Tech MDs, as with tech employees in general,…

Recognise the investment banking job title inflation! When a couple of people who used to work for me suddenly became Vice President, I congratulated them on their meteroic rise. Yeah, not so much they pointed out... :)

Similar thing happened to me when I was interviewing around. My resume and LinkedIn had my title as “Vice President”. It apparently intimidated more than one interviewer at the SV tech companies I Was targeting.

I came to the conclusion the title hurt me more than helped, since I had no desire to remain in the finance industry. So I replaced it with just a generic “senior SWE” title.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by rkk3 »

decafninja wrote: post #160
rkk3 wrote: post #159

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> Does a tech MD at an investment bank really get a seven figure compensation? Some desks make more of less, but why wouldn't they? MD's at Goldman used to even have a minimum salary of 500k[1] and bonus is generally a multiple of that... I'm not sure what you mean specifically by "tech" but Quant Strat, HFT etc are extremely valuable. > Pretty sure I’m making more as a FAANGMULA company You very well could be, big t…

I was referring to tech as in general SWEs doing line of business work, etc. which would account for the majority of SWEs at banks. I would put stuff like quants and HFT at a bank in a more rarified, elite, niche - perhaps on a tier similar to the elite hedge funds like Citadel. They’re not what I would think of first when describing “tech at a bank/finance” though. But definitely would agree their prestige and compe…

> I was referring to tech as in general SWEs doing line of business work, etc. which would account for the majority of SWEs at banks.

I wasn't on that side of the business & it was a long time ago... If they used the same level system as the front office, I would assume you would just have considerably less MD's and the pay would be at the lower end of the range but that would still put you at or close to 7 figures.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #138
65 wrote: post #105

It's interesting to me how trendy "diversity" is these days, and it's always in the context of race. It's interesting how we don't ever think of diversity in terms of class, wealth, disability, etc. An Ivy League educated black person and an Ivy League educated white person are far more similar than a poor white person and a rich white person. And yet, it seems as though we don't really care about hiring people from…

> complaining about diversity in a place where there's just demographically not going to be that many minorities is a bit unnecessary In the software industry, I suspect sexism and ageism are far more rampant than sexism, and women and older people are everywhere .

*than racism

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by Juliate »

grammarnazzzi wrote: post #135
danaris wrote: post #50

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Sorry, the work environment is inherently political these days. I'll "keep my political beliefs outside the work environment" when it's no longer political to say that - Women, queer people, and minorities should be hired, treated, and paid the same as straight cis white men - Abusive and exploitative treatment of workers is unacceptable - Every human being deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, regardless…

> Sorry, the work environment is inherently political these days. For most companies it isn't at all. They consentrate on issues relevant to staying competitive in the market. I agree that actual cases of discrimination should be addressed and corrected. Putting forth the ideology that "people" are "imposing their political beliefs on us every moment of every day" says more about you than it does anyone else. Because…

But discrimination in the workplace IS a competitive issue.

Both in the company own market, because it WILL impact the company own teams and governance in the long run, if only in comparison with other companies,

AND in the employment "market", because the company is cutting itself off of a significant talent pool.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by Juliate »

grammarnazzzi wrote: post #139
Juliate wrote: post #62

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Diversity in the workplace is a work issue. If that’s political, well, work _is_ political too (and even work organization becomes quickly political).

Only if diversity is relevant to whatever value the business is providing or it's mission. Healthy work issues are centered around whatever's going to help the company succeed. People want coworkers who produce and are positive. It affects everybody's livelihood.

Diversity is always relevant in business, as business is a part of society, which itself is very much diverse.

That's the whole point. Cutting oneself out of society, being a person or a group, has never been a good idea in the long run.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by samatman »

totalZero wrote: post #113
nathanaldensr wrote: post #76

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I completely agree with you. Where is the proof?

Proof of what? Racism in the workplace? Or bawolff's "in my experience" anecdote? In this thread I think almost all of the non-fact-based commentary came from Sam, lol. I guess he feels strongly about the topic, but I think bawolff's argument isn't so easily disposable as Sam asserts. And telling someone that their experience is not valid is kind of strange on the internet because there's no easy way to know what baw…

You can just divide the number of possible jobs for one human by the number of teams.

It's, wait for it, just like the realization that you can't know "black people", only some finite number of them.

You're showing motivated reasoning, because you're smart enough to follow that argument and chose not to. Not my problem, I'll never see your name on this site again.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by totalZero »

samatman wrote: post #166
totalZero wrote: post #113

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Proof of what? Racism in the workplace? Or bawolff's "in my experience" anecdote? In this thread I think almost all of the non-fact-based commentary came from Sam, lol. I guess he feels strongly about the topic, but I think bawolff's argument isn't so easily disposable as Sam asserts. And telling someone that their experience is not valid is kind of strange on the internet because there's no easy way to know what baw…

You can just divide the number of possible jobs for one human by the number of teams. It's, wait for it, just like the realization that you can't know "black people", only some finite number of them. You're showing motivated reasoning, because you're smart enough to follow that argument and chose not to. Not my problem, I'll never see your name on this site again.

This is pretty much nonsensical, but I appreciate you calling me smart.

You're not following my argument and you're expecting me to defend a straw man that you're trying to project onto me.

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