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Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Okay, I'm in my thirties now too. I'll give it a shot.

1. Get a hobby, travel, volunteer, all that crap: No. That will not solve the inherent issue and as a result you'll still be lonely and unsatisfied.

2. Therapy: lol. Just no.

3. Religion, Pet, Marriage: Will make you more miserable. Now, not only you are lonely, but also have obligations (taking your dog pop).

Here is what you wrote:

> my neighbors from above, probably college students, are having a party of their lifetime, laughing, kicking and screaming

-> Fair enough.

> I was broke, renting a big flat with a bunch of roommates, but young, healthy, and full of enthusiasm (and booze).

-> That's nostalgia for a previous era. Nothing suggests you'll like that lifestyle now.

> I thought my life would only get better. And I made a good career, but in the process, steadily drifted off into isolation.

-> An important part that everyone here is missing. Let's tag this as "Exhibit 1".

> they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc.

-> Everyone here is blaming (and judging you for judging others). Attractiveness is relative, blahblabla. Nope. Old tech people are both unattractive and boring, that's for both sexes (or all sexes). That's reality. You can sugarcoat it in your brain, but that doesn't create "boobs" or make a man stylish.

> All the "normal" people I knew in the past are now changing diapers and working to pay off their mortgages, which I guess is a kind of consolation.

-> Marriage is basically that. A process to make you forget, just like religion. It doesn't give you a meaning, it just makes you busy so you don't think about it.

> Doing things by myself is boring and depressing, and getting into a group of "normal" friends, of both genders, to hang out and laugh with, seems like an impossible goal.

-> Exhibit "2".

> In case someone has any advice beyond finding a hobby, going to therapy, approaching random strangers, it would be greatly appreciated.

-> You have no interests in any hobby (otherwise you'll be doing it) and please don't creep strangers.

> On the other hand, I feel that finding a non-coding job would be ultimately the best way to find new social groups, and get out of the apathy

-> No.

==

Okay. Take Exhibit 1: You had an idea, growing up, of where you wanted to be in the future. You thought that by building a good paying career, you'll have the lifestyle you "deserve". You succeeded in part I (career) and now are surprised that life is not as exciting and rewarding as it should be. You are in "deception" mode. It's like paying for a very expensive car to only find out that it doesn't work.

Take Exhibit 2: You are boring. You don't even like yourself (spending time alone). Of course, people are not going to like you.

So how do you fix this. First one, you should accept your situation. You are deceived but nobody promised you the moon if you did build a career. That was your own thinking. You need to get over it and realize that the time has gone and you should move on.

Second, you should become interesting yourself. Surprise: You might be interesting already without you recognizing it. Do you have an inherent interest in finance, politics, geography, history, music? You can strike a conversation about these topics for 2-3 hours and still talk about nothing.

Here is the last bit: The place, time and circumstance doesn't matter. You only need one friend with whom you share an interest in one of these topics. You share a beer/coffee once or twice a week. You discuss the latest rate hike, stock bubble or why Hitler lost the war. Now, suddenly, reading a book is interesting because you are building ideas for your next talk/discussion with this hypothetical friend. Bonus point if this friend challenges your ideas, do some research himself or is hard to convince in an intellectually stimulating way. Topics like finance are good because there is always something "new" happening in the market. So the discussion carries on.

There is nothing magical about life. Neither there is an end goal by itself. Your brain is just torturing you. You can "run away" by traveling to far away lands to forget about your deception, cold weather and problems. Or you can have have a beer a couple times a week. Second choice seems easier to me and you'll still have your finances in order. You can always travel later, but then you'll make a more informed choice and avoid another "deception".

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#352
> In case someone has any advice beyond finding a hobby, going to therapy, approaching random strangers, it would be greatly appreciated

Wait wait. What's wrong with approaching random strangers? That's literally the only robust solution to this problem.

> they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc.

You mean, socially awkward like you? You think that short guys and unattractive women aren't good enough for you, but I'm guessing that tall guys and attractive girls impute the same kind of vapid judgement to you that you do to aging women? Essentially, you're just miserable because you're starting to realize you belong to the same low value category you despise so much.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

RE: activity This may sound crazy, but join a Crossfit gym. Look on google maps, find one that is convenient, show up, talk to the coach, and sign up for a month. Crossfit is instant community. And you will get fit and feel better about yourself while you do it. Will it solve everything? Maybe not. But there's it's SUCH a simple way to make real progress on isolation, health, and self esteem. There are a million othe…

Great idea. Here is something that could be similar but more niche (sorry if too niche): join a meetup group for that does indoor rock climbing. If, say, meetup is a big thing where you are. Otherwise, check for, e.g. facebook groups that partner up climbers -- meet and learn! (likely need to take a class to learn the very basics first, assuming you know absolutely nobody and there is no meetup for it.) More laid bac…

I appreciated your comment. Any pointers on where to learn how to dress slightly up for an occasion ? I just don't have an eye for it.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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post #313

You sound like a person who envisions a life they should have, feels they deserve that life, and are frustrated they don't have it - then judge everyone you wind up interacting with as you try to fix it. My advice: get over yourself, you're your own worst enemy. You might not love the people you meet at those meetups, for instance, but if you auto-reject everyone you meet you'll never wind up meeting people via those…

Please don't cross into personal attack, even if you're intending to help somebody. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I've read your comment and acknowledge it.

I respectfully disagree that this was a personal attack. If you'd be so kind as to point out how it was, then I'd love to learn more.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#356

You sound like a person who envisions a life they should have, feels they deserve that life, and are frustrated they don't have it - then judge everyone you wind up interacting with as you try to fix it. My advice: get over yourself, you're your own worst enemy. You might not love the people you meet at those meetups, for instance, but if you auto-reject everyone you meet you'll never wind up meeting people via those…

I generally agree with the “get over yourself” comment but would like to offer a different perspective. The ending suggestion here and in many other comments is “work on yourself more” which I disagree with as the primary path to take. Instead, work on others more. Try to make the world around you a better place. Maybe you want to tutor below grade-level kids, tutor high performing kids, help with the homeless challe…

I think this is a good bit as well, and wish I had mentioned it. Well said.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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post #306

You sound like a person who envisions a life they should have, feels they deserve that life, and are frustrated they don't have it - then judge everyone you wind up interacting with as you try to fix it. My advice: get over yourself, you're your own worst enemy. You might not love the people you meet at those meetups, for instance, but if you auto-reject everyone you meet you'll never wind up meeting people via those…

That’s not wrong, but OP sounds desperate for connection. Lowering standards to be part of a group that resolves the loneliness is dangerous and can do a number on ones self-esteem. Sure, the premature judgement is bad but hanging around people who share different values and on different trajectories is not the solution. The only solution here is to take massive action to expose one to different groups of people and…

I'm not saying they should lower their standards - I'm simply saying they should manage it better. You don't allow everyone in your life to have the same priority, and this extends to how you manage friendships.

It's 100% okay to have friends that border more on acquaintances, who might lead you to other more interesting people.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#358

This is extremely common. In their 30s, people get married, have kids, and move to the suburbs. Finding and keeping friends in your 30s is quite a challenge. Some tips: - move to a city - things are much much easier in a city as people are more transient, groups aren't as established, and new people arrive all the time - it sounds like you have some friends - ask them if they have any friends in your area you should…

> The more non-nerdy, the more likely you are to find non-nerdy people

Just be careful what you are asking for. Non-nerdy people are becoming extremely boring in their 30's. I'm not sure why you would prefer discussing celebrities/sports results/car/superficial politics with good looking people instead of having a great time and connecting with people and not caring about how they look.

Hopefully you can find interesting (/nerdy in the sense they like to learn deeply and methodically about a subject) people in nearly every activity.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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post #176

This is extremely common. In their 30s, people get married, have kids, and move to the suburbs. Finding and keeping friends in your 30s is quite a challenge. Some tips: - move to a city - things are much much easier in a city as people are more transient, groups aren't as established, and new people arrive all the time - it sounds like you have some friends - ask them if they have any friends in your area you should…

The more non-nerdy, the more likely you are to find non-nerdy people I'd also add the more "regular", the more likely you are to find regular people. The stereotypical events & hobbies recommended for meeting people can unsurprisingly wind up chock-full of outcast-sorts who are also looking to meet people. If you want to find a real group, and a variety of ordinary folks, you want to expressly avoid all the sort of t…

But why would you want to find regular people? Personally I had a very social life with regular people in my 20's, and in retrospect it was very superficial, and these people have become boring and having issue now making sense of their life. I am way more happier since I rediscovered and embraced nerdy hobbies in my 30's.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#360

This is extremely common. In their 30s, people get married, have kids, and move to the suburbs. Finding and keeping friends in your 30s is quite a challenge. Some tips: - move to a city - things are much much easier in a city as people are more transient, groups aren't as established, and new people arrive all the time - it sounds like you have some friends - ask them if they have any friends in your area you should…

RE: activity This may sound crazy, but join a Crossfit gym. Look on google maps, find one that is convenient, show up, talk to the coach, and sign up for a month. Crossfit is instant community. And you will get fit and feel better about yourself while you do it. Will it solve everything? Maybe not. But there's it's SUCH a simple way to make real progress on isolation, health, and self esteem. There are a million othe…

I agree that this is a great start because of all the aspects it improve at the same time like you said.
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