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Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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"they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc."

Welcome to becoming a mature adult in the real world! It's true, as people age they become gringey dorks. And you may be surprised... It happens even to people who don't work in tech. I participate in a few communities that have little or nothing to do with tech, and they're still filled with awkward characters searching for connection too.

Sure, there are people in their 30's still partying and leading the lifestyles of the young and beautiful. But, maybe those people are still doing that because they haven't grown much since their early 20's. And if you haven't found focus in life beyond "being cool" and drinking and socializing by the time you're in your mid 40's, that lifestyle starts to be a pretty cringey look of its own.

Maturing emotionally means becoming more guarded and picky. You and the people around you have lived in the world, become invested in your own ways of living, and taken damage from the ups and downs of life. It's never again going to be as easy as being 20 something in a room full of 20-somethings who all want to meet each other right now.

But, there's also the chance for connection beyond what's possible at a party with "laughing, kicking and screaming" full of people who closely match your demographic. Ask people what their lives are about, people usually like talking about themselves. You'll get them to open up and you'll learn new things. Let things take time and be willing to let friendships form on a timescale more like months or years rather than days or weeks.

Not so much to your original point, but you mentioned "quitting the career"... If you're sick of tech, start on your second career. Even if you're not super confident, pick something that seems doable and pursue it. It will be exciting and rewarding and you will re-experience the feeling of joyous surprise you once felt when learning tech. You have time for this and can afford this easily since you're making tech job money and it sounds like you have time for weekend/evening/intensive classes. And you will meet a new batch of people. I've been in a program where I've taken a number of classes with the same group, and it's been a great way to get to know some new friends.

No reason to be scared because you don't have to "quit the career". Tech will take you back if your other thing doesn't work. You can learn a new thing and switch back and forth. Or you can do both part time.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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You sound like a person who envisions a life they should have, feels they deserve that life, and are frustrated they don't have it - then judge everyone you wind up interacting with as you try to fix it. My advice: get over yourself, you're your own worst enemy. You might not love the people you meet at those meetups, for instance, but if you auto-reject everyone you meet you'll never wind up meeting people via those…

I generally agree with the “get over yourself” comment but would like to offer a different perspective. The ending suggestion here and in many other comments is “work on yourself more” which I disagree with as the primary path to take. Instead, work on others more.

Try to make the world around you a better place. Maybe you want to tutor below grade-level kids, tutor high performing kids, help with the homeless challenge in your community, volunteer with the humane society, volunteer with hospice, do some environmental projects, help out with a niche historical society, volunteer at the zoo, etc. The point being, do something (in meat space) for your community that you connect with, and you will come into contact with like-minded people who may or may not be “cool”, but they at least want to help out the world around them too. There’s that old saying “it is better to give than to receive.” If you aren’t already, give that a try. :)

My grandfather was an avid volunteer, far more busy in retirement than most working people. My dad once lamented in a family gathering that he (my dad) didn’t want to retire for fear of becoming bored. My grandfather just said in his special way that is hard to convey, “there’s a lot of good organizations that could use some help.”

All the best to you and your search!

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an atheist or at best agnostic, but I've met and known many highly intelligent people who are also religious. It's not mutually exclusive.

So we have an idea that is false. Demonstrably false we can agree. Also, anecdotes aside for a moment overwhelmingly higher religious beliefs correlate with lower intelligence. So, back to the anecdote, why in the case of someone being intelligent by your judgement would they believe this story, with ample evidence easily accessible to refute it? - They've never considered it critically--ok that's possible - They've…

To veer a little off track, I used to be a huge fan of Richard Dawkins back in college until I realized his approach just creates friction and polarization. The opposite of what he crusades for.

The astrophysicists have a way better approach than the biologists. It's non-confrontational.

But my point is that I don't think it's impossible for atheists and religious folks to be friends. Or even date and get married. Mutual respect and communication goes a long way.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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> in my 30s > my life is pretty much done Hahahaha Consider that we have essentially figured out how to live super long (> 100) and maybe even much longer, your life is faaaaar from over. My advice is to take a sabbatical and go travel. You’ll meet lots of people outside of your zone and have fun.

> Consider that we have essentially figured out how to live super long (> 100) and maybe even much longer, your life is faaaaar from over.

Some people might find this liberating, but I am not one of them. The idea of having to live that long is terrifying.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#305
Politics.

It may sound a bit of place in a forum like HN, but I have a point to make here. What you feel is a fairly common phenomenon and I know a ton of people who aren't happy at this setting. I would like to suggest joining a political grouping and study the in-group dynamics.

From the background you have stated, it is highly unlikely that you have joined a political movement or seen its inner workings at any point in time. You don't have to be a politician, but you can join the team of one. You can make yourself a lot useful. You wouldn't realise the huge value a website or a robust analytics infrastructure for a local/provincial level politician. Or your could collaborate in strategy, outreach, electioneering etc.

The best thing about a political movement is that it derives people from various background, age groups, ethnicities (I know that this is not true for many political groupings, but you could choose based on your taste) and experiences. They are generally very much driven and at least care for a cause. Once you bond, you'll see that the in-group dynamics and response to questions like general ethics, economics etc shifts from the advertised positions. This shift in dynamics is what makes you politically aware and literate. It is a great liberating experience. In movements that are around for long, you'll see yourself interacting with a lot of people as if you have known them for years - sometimes like family members. This is a great way to connect with people from different classes, backgrounds and develop the kind of empathy that will help us appreciate ourselves better.

I realise that the socio-political situation in different nations are different. But if you can do this, this will definitely light up the mood. It is also a great contribution to society - but you don't have to look at it that way. Political activity is a great addition to our lives, as many people across the generations have found out. Do give it a try.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#306

You sound like a person who envisions a life they should have, feels they deserve that life, and are frustrated they don't have it - then judge everyone you wind up interacting with as you try to fix it. My advice: get over yourself, you're your own worst enemy. You might not love the people you meet at those meetups, for instance, but if you auto-reject everyone you meet you'll never wind up meeting people via those…

That’s not wrong, but OP sounds desperate for connection. Lowering standards to be part of a group that resolves the loneliness is dangerous and can do a number on ones self-esteem.

Sure, the premature judgement is bad but hanging around people who share different values and on different trajectories is not the solution.

The only solution here is to take massive action to expose one to different groups of people and if nothing works, move somewhere else.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#307
You say you don't want a hobby, but this is how you meet people and make friends. Climbing is a good one. Improv and artsy things like that attract funny, fun people. Athletic and artsy activies tend to attact the sort of people you're looking for (probably). Working out has great effects on your mental state as well, if you aren't doing it.

Also, make an effort to communicate with people and hang out. It's hard and takes a while to break through. Once you make a strong friendship with one or two people, you'll start meeting more. It's absolutely not impossible to get into a good friend group.

You could sell all your stuff and work from an RV. You could move to East Asia. You could get a more socially engaging job. Try lots of stuff until you find what you want. What are you working for? If you don't know, figure it out.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend a Kickball league. Less “bro” types for the most part. Although to be fair, my league had this one team that everyone hated because they were super serious. But the rest of us all got along great.

Dodgeball is another sport like this! There are very serious dodgeball teams, but generally they compete with each other and not the beer league. Even the super serious players tended to be friendly and willing to play at the same level rather than dominating. Added benefit is dodgeball is not dependent on weather. I think looking for a sport that requires coed teams is a good way to ensure that things remain more so…

Reminds me of the time I went out to a draft for a softball league and got picked up as the token man. All my teammates played D2 softball together. I always thought I was a reasonably good rec league player. But that team was something else. I lasted 2 games in the field before I got made the designated hitter. If I didn’t get a home run, I was going to be replaced by a pinch runner :)

But after the game, it was a blast.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#309
Have you tried dating apps? They suck in many ways but ultimately with a bit of time and effort, some good and bad dates but eventually you wills find a relationship. As far as making a circle of friends, I think that is actually way harder in your 30s than it is to find a partner.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#310
I've had the same problems as you OP. I realized this has to do with house prices and income inequality. Tough spending money on fun when every dollar spent not towards saving is seen as wasted. When life is "handled" people think and do things that are unrelated to making more money.

During COVID I had some time to think, and I thought back to what I enjoyed as a kid and what I was good at, and I remember always wanting to go fast. So I got into simracing, loved it, did a bunch of research to find the best hub for my new hobby, and long story short I'm moving to Finland to pursue amateur racing in real life for fun and building a community around that. Their real estate market seems good and it looks like people still like to have fun and live life there. I've been to a bunch of races and its super easy to make friends. I enjoy working on things with people more than I enjoy drinking and stuff so it worked out for me.

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