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Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people to just "be happy" is not constructive advice. If it was that easy everyone would do it.

You have to learn to like yourself before others will though, having a deep sense of self loathing, even self consciously, will put people off of you, you emanate a deep proverbial psychological stink - and it turns people away.

That might be a step further than is necessary. I don’t think you have to like yourself, and it’s much easier to like yourself if someone else likes you first.

However, I do agree that you need to get past self-loathing to at least self-acceptance of some kind. Mostly because self-loathing means putting your attention on yourself, and that is what makes it hard to connect with other people.

It’s ok to not have a high opinion of yourself as long as you don’t place too much importance on it, and are on with yourself.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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I've got that house, spouse, kid stuff. It's awesome, but also an anchor that limits what you can do, where you can go, etc. You don't have that at the moment, so go be spontaneous. I don't travel any more, but you can. I don't do silly, dumb, or risky stuff any more, but you can.

You sound like a mid career dev, you should be well situated. OK 401K, pay, 'benes, etc. About wealth, they say "you can't take it with you." Spend some of it living it up now while you're well situated.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't supposed to be happy when they're isolated -- and being happy doesn't naturally end isolation. That's absurd, and a victim-blaming mentality. (Not to imply OP is a victim.) The isolation is because we're an atomized society. Humans are psychologically supposed to exist in stable tribes. These have been shrunk down to nuclear families in modern life.

It won't magically end his isolation, no. But, it will create an environment that is conducive to ending it. You run into opportunities every day, and it's up to you to take advantage of them, or immediately drown them in negativity.

Being happy doesn't create an environment.

You're just making a lot of assumptions that conveniently allow you to dismiss and deny the reality of the situation.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Move to NYC or a different large city. (I am assuming you perhaps live in the Bay Area). SF is intersting, but the rest of the Bay Area is a giant suburb. It is nice to live as a family (but expensive), but it is not the right place for younger single people.

In NYC you will find enough of everything. As a city it has different problems (eg. hustler culture, dating is like mortal kombat, making you feel disposable, where anything longer than 3 months is considered long term). But at least you wont be bored.

And if you don't like interacting with people, just go to coffee places, work from there and people watch. NYC has plenty to offer.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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"they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc." So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man. Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently a good source of income, I'd advise you to go remote, travel, try digital nomadism, go to meetups, meet other tr…

> So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man. I know it sounds bad, but I don't want to meet people like me. I really don't like myself right now :) I'm looking for a way out from this state, not a way to settle in. It's like you can't treat depression by hanging out with other depressed people, it'll make you worse. > Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently…

I echo those suggesting working on yourself. Maybe therapy might be a good option?

I went through a good three years in NYC where I was completely alone, isolated. I tried to branch out, but nothing really stuck until I lucked on a group of friends who I’ve had now for over 5 years.

Sometimes you have to have patience and be content with waiting. The harder you force it, the slower it will come. Sometimes you have to wait years, life does not move on your schedule. In the meantime, you can control working on yourself.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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> As I write this post, my neighbors from above, probably college students, are having a party of their lifetime, laughing, kicking and screaming. I'm not even mad at them, just full of envy.

If you're fun (warning: it sounds like you're not fun), you can probably just party with them. We're the same age and I've had girlfriends that are still in college. It's not weird if you're not weird about it.

If you haven't had kids and aren't boring, 18+ is a valid dating range.

> Finding friends in my teens and 20s was as easy as going out literally anywhere.

It still is, you're just going to the wrong places or presenting yourself wrong.

> When I eventually went to work, I thought my life would only get better. And I made a good career, but in the process, steadily drifted off into isolation.

I think there may be some naivety here. Work is to acquire capital, to invest in assets, to generate capital, to avoid work. Work is not supposed to be fun or satisfying. Work is supposed to acquire capital.

I think in previous generations, you could ask coworkers out on dates, but that's dangerous and most SWEs are remote now anyway. It's best to keep work to just work.

> they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc.

If that's not your scene, then don't go to those places. Find something that's cool and happening now and meet people doing things that excite you.

If the goal is young women, you can be in your 40s and find plenty of college girls interested in age gap relationships.

> All the "normal" people I knew in the past are now changing diapers and working to pay off their mortgages, which I guess is a kind of consolation.

The people I know with kids end up so defeated that they essentially martyr themselves with employment to give their children a better future. I understand that people willingly make this choice, but it's not for me. It's really good to see times changing and the idea of "normal" going away.

> Still, I'm only in my 30s, and it feels like my life is pretty much done. Doing things by myself is boring and depressing, and getting into a group of "normal" friends, of both genders, to hang out and laugh with, seems like an impossible goal.

This is your error because it's not impossible. I've seen whole communities of old people form meaningful friendships and they're all 70+.

It might be impossible for you while you're doing your career. That's ok. People will still be around when you're done working.

If you're at the peak of your dev career in your 30s, you can probably be retired by 40 with some good negotiation/investment.

> In case someone has any advice beyond finding a hobby, going to therapy, approaching random strangers, it would be greatly appreciated. I don't have any skills other than coding, so quitting the career would be a major financial hit. On the other hand, I feel that finding a non-coding job would be ultimately the best way to find new social groups, and get out of the apathy

IMO you're already in deep enough that you might as well see it through. Try to get a job with high total comp, work hard for a few more years, retire before 40. Learn enough about investing and finance that you don't screw it up.

Then simply do things you find legitimately interesting that involve other people. It's important that you actually care about the activity, so you can be happy and confident and present at your best.

You can't just "try ballroom dancing" and expect to meet a new group of cool friends. Compete with cool people at doing cool things, and then you'll have groups of cool friends.

Maybe audition for a rock band. Or start an NFT project. Or become a nature youtuber. Or dance on TikTok. Or whatever you'd do anyway, once you're not tied down by a tech job.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Not the answer but a good idea spinner: sports. I met a ton of people doing cycling group rides, and first went for a MTB ride as a non date with my now wife. We were on distant leaves of a social tree but that was a great way to spend time one on one and just have fun. And it’s healthy and can be competitive and gets you out of the headspace of “only know software.”
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