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Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by woodruffw »

gonehome wrote: post #26

Based on the recent Stratechery Neil Young advocates against GMOs which is the “anti-science” position on that issue. I think independent of my views on Rogan personally this kind of ultimatum to silence someone is just wrong. The free speech position is the principled one. Spotify wouldn’t be in this position if they weren’t trying to aggregate podcast ownership and ruin the open ecosystem anyway. Still, if I were S…

My understanding of the GMO debate is that there are two kinds of GMO development: there's GMO for the purposes of making crops themselves hardier, more nutritious, etc., and then there's GMO for the purposes of making crops more resistant to novel pesticides, herbicides, etc. The agricultural industry likes to conflate the two, since the latter is much harder to defend.

I have no idea what Neil Young actually believes (and I don't especially care), but I do know that it's possible to be pro-GMO (or even just neutral) in the first sense and anti-GMO in the latter sense. And that's the position that I've seen otherwise scientifically informed people take.

(This is ignoring some other reasonable responses, such as "what do GMOs have to do with Spotify?" and "why do you think that being anti-GMO makes you anti-science?", but there are only so many hours in the day.)

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by thisisnotatest1 »

torstenvl wrote: post #37
woodruffw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who, precisely, is "canceling" (much less "silencing") who in this scenario? As I recall, the Supreme Court has consistently recognized the freedom of association as a core component of free speech. And that seems to be what's happening.

Perhaps you didn't know, but Neil Young tried to get Spotify to deplatform Joe Rogan (i.e., to cancel his Spotify distribution deal), and used his repertoire as an ultimatum. EDIT: I'm being downvoted to oblivion for stating an objective fact. This is unbecoming of HN. I'm out.

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Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by manquer »

kybernetikos wrote: post #33
vnchr wrote: post #25

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Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you got till it's gone?

I always get saddened when I read an obituary post on HN of some great people I only got to know because they recently passed away

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by plufz »

eej71 wrote: post #17
least wrote: post #5

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Why shouldn’t this behavior be tolerated? This is the response that they uniquely can make to protest for what they believe in. I do not condone censorship and I’m more concerned about the surgeon general suggesting that Spotify should censor Joe Rogan but these actions are also falling in the lines of free expression, which should be protected.

He certainly has a right to do that. No doubt I wonder if Mr. Young will apply the same moral stringency to the rest of his distributors. I also wonder if his fans are aware of his own unscientific misinformation campaigns in regards to GMO foods. I think most wonder - where does it end? What heterodox positions are tolerated and which ones aren’t? Especially in the context of something like a broad based music distr…

Isn’t this just life/humanity? No one is ever gonna have a 100% scientific correct moral applied equally to all of their life. He is gonna protest some stuff and not other stuff. I’m not really afraid of a slippery slope here. I think the bigger problem is people not taking a real stand in what they believe.

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by sbelskie »

torstenvl wrote: post #37
woodruffw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who, precisely, is "canceling" (much less "silencing") who in this scenario? As I recall, the Supreme Court has consistently recognized the freedom of association as a core component of free speech. And that seems to be what's happening.

Perhaps you didn't know, but Neil Young tried to get Spotify to deplatform Joe Rogan (i.e., to cancel his Spotify distribution deal), and used his repertoire as an ultimatum. EDIT: I'm being downvoted to oblivion for stating an objective fact. This is unbecoming of HN. I'm out.

Is that not speech?

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by fortran77 »

I like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. However, if I didn't, I simply wouldn't listen to them. Which is exactly what I do with Joe Rogan. I tried his show, it wasn't for me.

It's interesting that Joni Mitchell also promotes controversial and unrecognized medical information, such as "Morgellons Disease"

See: https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/morgellons-diseas...

> The 71-year-old singer first discussed her battle with Morgellons in a 2010 interview with the Los Angeles Times, telling them she had “this weird, incurable disease that seems like it’s from outer space.” Her vivid description left many fans concerned: “Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically identified as animal, vegetable or mineral.”

and https://www.mayoclinic.org/morgellons-disease/art-20044996#:....

From the Mayo Clinic:

> Some doctors recognize the condition as a delusional infestation and treat it with cognitive behavioral therapy, antidepressants, antipsychotic drugs and counseling. Others think the symptoms are related to an infectious process in skin cells. Further study is needed.

And Neil Young isn't without controversial opinions that go "against science" on issues ranging from GMOs (he's against them), to the benefits of super-high-resolution digital audio files (he's for them).

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by torstenvl »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #11
assttoasstmgr wrote: post #6

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It literally mirrors the plot to "Caddyshack": A couple of old, out of touch rich people throwing a tantrum because they have to share a club with a loud gregarious buffoon that's wildly popular with others.

"Out of touch"? They are both survivors of childhood polio, making a very timely point about vaccinations. [downvoted for this? really?]

Are they childhood survivors of authoritarian governments that turned into oligarchies? Maybe if they had been, they wouldn't be so convinced that rich and famous people should get to decide what ideas other people are exposed to.

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by woodruffw »

torstenvl wrote: post #37
woodruffw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who, precisely, is "canceling" (much less "silencing") who in this scenario? As I recall, the Supreme Court has consistently recognized the freedom of association as a core component of free speech. And that seems to be what's happening.

Perhaps you didn't know, but Neil Young tried to get Spotify to deplatform Joe Rogan (i.e., to cancel his Spotify distribution deal), and used his repertoire as an ultimatum. EDIT: I'm being downvoted to oblivion for stating an objective fact. This is unbecoming of HN. I'm out.

The linguistic choice of "deplatform[ing]" is such a funny one: in any other era, we'd call withholding one's business a "boycott."

But the history of the word "boycott" in the US has a distinctly anti-racial hue, and people who yammer about deplatforming seem to take extreme pains to avoid any comparison between today's boycotts and those good old lunch counters.

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