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Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by olivierestsage »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #10
olivierestsage wrote: post #2

I'll resist[0] the impulse to make fun of these artists as having an inflated sense of their own importance, and simply join others in noting that this kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. It sets a horrible precedent, no matter what one thinks about Joe Rogan. Edit: Too late now to save myself from downvote land, but I just spoke poorly. I meant it shouldn't be tolerated in the form of Spotify acquiescing to the…

You mean in the interests of free speech, artists who you think have an inflated sense of their own importance should necessarily sacrifice their freedom of speech for someone who is parroting dangerous untruths? Pulling their music from Spotify is speech. Why can they _not_ do it? What makes what they are doing a "horrible precedent"?

I didn't actually mention free speech in my comment, which (although I do passionately believe in it!) I don't consider the main issue here. If a precedent is set for artists being rewarded for demanding that other artists be removed from platforms, where will it end? How will the line be drawn? How much content will the people listening on these platforms be deprived of simply because of rivalries and the like? It doesn't seem like it's in the interest of listeners or customers to behave this way.

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by harry8 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #13
bruceb wrote: post #9

For Neil Young this actually might work out well financially. He gets more media exposure than he has had in 20, 30 years? I won't be surprised if his album sale 5x this year and his streams 10x. Whatever money he loses from not being on spotify will be made up on other services. He was the first so will be remembered for a while. Probably get invited to some events more readily. Not a comment on the Rogen or the mor…

> For Neil Young this actually might work out well financially. He is 76 years old and worth $200M. I don't think he cares much about money at this point.

> I don't think he cares much about money at this point.

I think that is probably right in terms of stuff you can spend. What he probably does care about is relevance and a sense of importance. If you look at anyone with that kind of money, they've got more than they can spend, more than their family and grandchildren can meaningfully spend and yet frequently they don't stop working at their business. One rich guy in Australia a few decades ago made that point and said he considered money from his deals as a substitute for applause.

I strongly doubt Neil Young would be willing to take up a public position that involved a real sacrifice on his part, where he was rejected by the orthodoxy of his tribe. He's had plenty of opportunity to take a strong position and hasn't until this one which will probably lose him very, very few admirers. I could be wrong about that and he could prove me so too.

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by monkeybutton »

I hate Spotify's recommendation algorithm for podcasts, if you can even call it that. Why does it think I want to listen to Joe Rogan and Jordan f-ing Peterson. Or any of the podcasts about drugs. I've never listened to any podcasts using their app, so is it based on the music I listen to, or do they recommend that crap to everyone? Jordan Peterson! Do they think he's what the average person likes? It's twisted! Worse is they've been showing the same few recommendations to me for years now. What makes them think today is the day I'm going to magically decide to start streaming them?

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by gonehome »

Based on the recent Stratechery Neil Young advocates against GMOs which is the “anti-science” position on that issue.

I think independent of my views on Rogan personally this kind of ultimatum to silence someone is just wrong. The free speech position is the principled one.

Spotify wouldn’t be in this position if they weren’t trying to aggregate podcast ownership and ruin the open ecosystem anyway. Still, if I were Spotify the move is to take the free speech position and tell these other people to fuck off (imo).

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Post by [deleted] »

kennywinker wrote: post #12

I switched to Tidal last year. Spotify is notoriously one of the worst streaming services in terms of what it pays artists, and then there was this: https://themusicessentials.com/news/daniel-ek-e100-million-i... (spotify ceo investing in AI weapons company). While Tidal’s app is a little rough around the edges, and their auto-playlist stuff isn’t quite as smart, it has a solid catalogue and i’m pretty happy with it.

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Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by woodruffw »

tomcat27 wrote: post #18

Joe Rogan is a very good listener and his show is popular for a good reason and that's not political. Silencing this way is just cancel culture.

Who, precisely, is "canceling" (much less "silencing") who in this scenario?

As I recall, the Supreme Court has consistently recognized the freedom of association as a core component of free speech. And that seems to be what's happening.

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by harry8 »

falseprofit wrote: post #15
assttoasstmgr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally mirrors the plot to "Caddyshack": A couple of old, out of touch rich people throwing a tantrum because they have to share a club with a loud gregarious buffoon that's wildly popular with others.

sure, if the buffoon was spreading dangerous misinformation and misogyny.

Yeah but Neil Young's steadfast support of patriarchal dominance of the music industry and the treatment of female artists as sex objects over the past 50 odd years coupled with his so called "dangerous misinformation" on GMO foods isn't a good enough reason to try and silence him. Besides some of his old music really isn't too bad at all!

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by plussed_reader »

tomcat27 wrote: post #18

Joe Rogan is a very good listener and his show is popular for a good reason and that's not political. Silencing this way is just cancel culture.

At this point in the pandemic misinformers deserve social derision despite how friendly they are to their guests. Joe made his willfully ignorant bed
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