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How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by geoduck14 »

notpachet wrote: post #69
jdowner wrote: post #25

"You want to work at a company on a strong growth trajectory for lots of reasons, but a big one is your own growth potential. You will learn the most the fastest at places that are growing fast, and have way more openings for promotions and leadership roles than a slower-growing company." While I think this is a reasonable opinion, it's been my experience that companies who tout 'strong growth' are a cluster fuck. Co…

I've had the exact same experience. These sorts of environments seem to unintentionally reward assholes and bullies because they're the ones with the immediate means to get what they need in order to move their agenda forward. Chaotic environments are a breeding ground for strongmen.

>Chaotic environments are a breeding ground for strongmen.

In some cases, yes, but also a breeding ground for nimble people, clever people, and social people. It doesn't have to be bad, it can be good

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Post by bawolff »

tomp wrote: post #44
bawolff wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience it can be a bit of a canary. People who are assholes tend to be extra-assholey to out-groups (which often is minorities). If members of minority groups don't want to work somewhere it usually means that the people who work there are assholes.

People forget that (1) women are not a minority, and (2) that tech is one of the kost diverse industries (full of Asians, Indians, immigrants, …)

Which is why i used the term "out-group" first and foremost.

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Post by totalZero »

geoduck14 wrote: post #115
totalZero wrote: post #106

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Huh? I'm not stating any personal opinions about race in the workplace here, and I don't appreciate you casting me as having done so. I was saying that you seem to have misinterpreted other guy's post as a false contrapositive. Note the "I think the point was," and also the "If I'm interpreting GP properly." Let me make it clearer for you: "If the canary is alive, there's oxygen." That was the GP argument. It's not t…

>I'm not stating any personal opinions about race in the workplace here, and I don't appreciate you casting me as having done so. I, too, interpreted your original comment as "agreeing with" the original poster. Your line about "If I'm interpreting GP properly." Came at the very end - after I (incorrectly) assumed you were aligned with GP My conclusion is that this format isn't very good at difficult conversations

> My conclusion is that this format isn't very good at difficult conversations

I can agree with that.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by remram »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #83
remram wrote: post #77

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If you're already interviewing, they are unlikely to restart the whole process based on that question, they will answer it and keep going.

Yes, but some of the other candidates may be non-white males. So why wait for the next interviewing round? The boss may not approve hiring for some time.

If you want to get the job above minorities then obviously don't ask about diversity like it matters to you.

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Post by sershe »

bawolff wrote: post #3

> This is a GREAT one: “As a white man, I’d ask what they’ve done to find qualified women and minorities for the role I’m interviewing for.” I can't help but feel that asking questions during an interview that encourage the interviewer to hire someone who is not you, is a bad strategy for actually getting the job.

I think it's a GREAT one; if the company engages in practices that are borderline illegal and immoral (considered so even by their supposed beneficiaries [1], and rejected by one of the most left-wing states [2]), it's probably a toxic place to work.

The entire DEI industry belongs to Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B. It's good to know in advance if a company is taken over by this malignant growth.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/25/most-americ... [2] https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Pr...

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #110
tomp wrote: post #45

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Meritocracy is an ideal that is almost by definition unachievable. Like freedom, equality, etc. It’s a very worthy ideal.

Did you know the term was coined in a satirical book about a dystopian society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_Meritocracy

It should also be noted that the author directly says "It is good sense to appoint individual people to jobs on their merit." in a quote that appears on the same Wikipedia page. There's more to that quote of course but the dismissive "meritocracy was coined satirically" soundbite erases the sensible arguments and warnings that the book tries to make.

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Post by macilacilove »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #48

I do not see how diversity is a relevant factor. You can have a very diverse, shitty company and great non-diverse company. Anecdotal evidence: Company where I work at is likely not diverse according to woke standards, but it is a great place to work at.

I think it is important to praise diversity at every opportunity on your site for SEO reasons. I may be wrong. They call it "Machine learning fairness"

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Post by danaris »

anon7725 wrote: post #75
danaris wrote: post #47

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That's why I prefer the term "marginalized groups".

That’s why I prefer the term “moving the goalposts”

It's not moving the goalposts; it's accurately portraying the concept that was imperfectly conveyed in the past by "minorities".

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Post by stjohnswarts »

I'm gonna let you in on a secret. Unless you're working for a charity, NGO, etc the company is almost always rotten on the inside. Don't ever go looking for a moral company, that's not what capitalism is. That's the nature of things. What you need to worry about is if the company will treat you well for what you bring to the table. If they don't then make sure you have an easy out in your contract. You should worry more about the team you will be working with and how they fit the way you like to work. Do you like to work alone with things throw over the wall? Do you like the product/service they provide? Do you like the pay? Do you like tight knit group that works closely and has lots of meetings? Those are few things you can eek out during an interview with some clarity. You will never know if the atmosphere is poisonous or not really until you get there.

Re: How can you tell if the company youre interviewing with is rotten on the inside?

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Post by stjohnswarts »

bawolff wrote: post #3

> This is a GREAT one: “As a white man, I’d ask what they’ve done to find qualified women and minorities for the role I’m interviewing for.” I can't help but feel that asking questions during an interview that encourage the interviewer to hire someone who is not you, is a bad strategy for actually getting the job.

This would definitely be a bad sign for me during an interview, I would say "next" pretty quickly. I have enough to deal with at work I don't need a social warrior that is more worried about the woke twitterati rantings than helping me get next week's bucket of issues done.
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