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Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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ah, someone who shares my disdain for "hacker" "news"

" Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. " It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads.

It might be worth pointing out that you are dismissing a comment discussing a page that is (likely) making a criticism of the HN rules by implying - without good reason - that it is instead a criticism of the community, and not a critique of the site rules and the kinds of content it promotes.

Unless you're only meaning the "don't sneer" part - which is difficult to police among intellectuals, and if it's only policed at HN-directed criticism, is probably bad form.

In short: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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The problem with comments like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30088471 is that they poison the ecosystem with more of the very thing you're complaining about, plus they lower the signal/noise ratio with tedious meta. Supercilious posturing over other people is bad for comments here because it's reliably uninteresting. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the…

okay okay, I'll stop being so negative and try to guide discourse for the better here :)

Appreciated! That's basically the perfect response :)

Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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> I'm fairly decent with clay, always wondered if I could make something like a raspberry pi case with sculpey. The short answer is yes you can, but it's a PITA. Among other problems you have to deal with shrinkage and drooping. I'd only use that approach for a quick and dirty prototype that just needed to hold parts together and survive rough handling. A better option is to build a case from parts you cut out of a s…

> A better option is to build a case from parts you cut out of a sheet of plastic (anywhere from 1mm on up) that you then glue together. Not a bad way to go, but I found that for hand assembly, I had a really hard time with the glue out of control; I probably needed a better applicator than the default tube of epoxy. Instead, I would go with VHB (Very High Bond) tape. Also weird to use, if you are using the thin 1mm…

> Not a bad way to go, but I found that for hand assembly, I had a really hard time with the glue out of control; I probably needed a better applicator than the default tube of epoxy.

There are a couple of things you can try:

Squeeze the glue (of whatever sort) onto a disposable surface (a scrap of foil generally works for me) and use a wire or whisker of some sort to pick up and apply small amounts in a controlled fashion.

Tack the parts together with minimal dots of cyanoacrylate, and use gobs of the real adhesive to put it a fillet on the inside corner.

You can also use a jig of some sort to position the parts you're gluing.

Solvents instead of an adhesive are a bit more forgiving of accidental over application (you just spill it off and wait a moment for the excess to dry).

> Instead, I would go with VHB (Very High Bond) tape. Also weird to use, if you are using the thin 1mm width, but I can position the tape more carefully before I press it into place.

An interesting suggestion, and not one I've tried. Thanks, I'll keep it in mind.

Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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> A better option is to build a case from parts you cut out of a sheet of plastic (anywhere from 1mm on up) that you then glue together. Not a bad way to go, but I found that for hand assembly, I had a really hard time with the glue out of control; I probably needed a better applicator than the default tube of epoxy. Instead, I would go with VHB (Very High Bond) tape. Also weird to use, if you are using the thin 1mm…

I don't know anything about this stuff, but from YouTube I'd think other options would include: - machine a form out of wax or delrin (or clay), pour a silicone mold, and then pour liquid plastic into the mold, either a not-yet-polymerized resin such as a thin epoxy, or a molten thermoplastic; - similarly, but use plaster instead of silicone and burn out the form in a kiln before pouring (not applicable for clay); -…

> molten thermoplastic

Unless there are products I'm not aware of, mostly thermo plastics require high pressure injection that isn't feasible for a hobbyist setup.

> a not-yet-polymerized resin

There are lots of products like this (a bewildering variety, really), but in general they aren't particularly convenient to use, and you'll have a lot of failures. Factors that can mess you up include temperature, humidity, air bubbles (so many air bubbles!), mixing ratios, over mixing, under mixing, contaminates on the mold surfaces or your mixing containers, pour holes too small, not enough exit holes, entry/exit holes in the wrong places, molds held together too loosely leading to leaks, too tightly leading to distortions, etc.

Except for the possible exception of relatively simple shapes and small items (like dice), just about everything you can imagine going wrong will, and you'll end up with a lot of waste before you get something you can use, and disposing of the failed attempts responsibly is another challenge.

There is a caveat though: if you're trying to make a soft part (whether in a hard or soft mold), the materials are generally a lot more forgiving of errors, but that's tangential to the challenge of making a case.

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" Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. " It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. It might be worth pointing out that you are dismissing a comment discussing a page that is (likely) making a criticism of the HN rules by implying - without good reason - that it is instead a criticism of the community, and not a critique of the site rules and the kinds of content it promotes. Unl…

I'm sorry but I don't really follow what you're saying here. That the GP comment was a supercilious putdown seems completely obvious to me. Perceptions differ, of course.

Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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I don't know anything about this stuff, but from YouTube I'd think other options would include: - machine a form out of wax or delrin (or clay), pour a silicone mold, and then pour liquid plastic into the mold, either a not-yet-polymerized resin such as a thin epoxy, or a molten thermoplastic; - similarly, but use plaster instead of silicone and burn out the form in a kiln before pouring (not applicable for clay); -…

> molten thermoplastic Unless there are products I'm not aware of, mostly thermo plastics require high pressure injection that isn't feasible for a hobbyist setup. > a not-yet-polymerized resin There are lots of products like this (a bewildering variety, really), but in general they aren't particularly convenient to use, and you'll have a lot of failures. Factors that can mess you up include temperature, humidity, ai…

Thanks! I think I've mostly watched resin casting demonstrations by very experienced people, so I may have unreasonably positive expectations of what is possible, but I think it's fairly common for art students to get some successful resin casts in a single-semester sculpture course? Which I think implies a cost of first success well under US$10000? As I said, I haven't tried it myself. Michal Zalewski makes it sound pretty achievable.

As far as thermoplastic molding goes, aside from the vacuum forming that someone else suggested, there seem to be a lot of experimental options. There is a YouTuber who has built a couple of DIY injection molding machines (http://www.youtube.com/user/AndysMachines), and Star Simpson did successfully mold recycled HDPE plasticized with vegetable oil in an open-top mold (https://www.instructables.com/HomemadePlastic/), but the results are not super smooth. My recollection from melting plastic cups in the oven as a kid (probably polypropylene) is that you end up with a puddle with a pretty flat and smooth surface except for whatever lettering or imagery was on the outside of the cups, so I feel like you might be able to get a smooth top out of an open-top mold, but I don't know which plastic that was, and melt degradation might be an issue. https://youtu.be/KA1UELu33FI shows some apparently successful open-top molding with powder made from recycled polypropylene (skip to the last minute of the video) but doesn't test it for strength. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYbyzgErvo recycled polypropylene into a two-piece water-cooled mold improvised out of aluminum baking tins, but seems to have suffered major melt degradation possibly due to overheating it in a can on an open fire. https://youtu.be/Ae8_OWju8RM recycled (probably heavily filled) HDPE into a billet in an aluminum can in a thermostat-controlled electric oven at 180 degrees and had a lot of porosity due to high melt viscosity, then turned the billet down on a lathe; the outside of the billet seems to have suffered enough melt degradation to make it machine much more cleanly than the center, which produces the kind of long stringy chips you'd expect from HDPE. https://youtu.be/blSvUqfuiuo makes an HDPE sort of gingerbread man in an open-top silicone oven mold, the kind you'd use to make gingerbread-man-shaped muffins, suffering melt degradation severe enough in parts to turn the HDPE brown, warping, and significant porosity due to high melt viscosity. https://youtu.be/-igxhoGEQFU shows really nice marbled results melting HDPE in a panini press with a silicone mold release, then pressing it into a billet in a particleboard mold with a bench vise, but still suffering some problems with porosity. By turning it on a wood lathe they are immune to problems of warping etc.

Polycaprolactone deserves a mention because above its glass transition you can mold the thermoplastic with your bare hands, but pouring it into a mold is out of the question because of its high viscosity, and as a result of that low Tg you tend to get a lot of creep, and parts become unusably weak in a warm room.

So I think you've convinced me that thermoplastic casting without injection molding equipment is not a practical option for making low-volume parts. Thank you for sharing your experience!

Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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In China we buy second-hand Redmi 2 for 60RMB each (roughly $9.5). Can be bought in quantities. Fully functional with 2GB RAM+16GB eMMC, and battery, touchscreen, WiFi, Bluetooth, camera, and even 4G support. It's not built from scratch like this one, but if you are just looking for something cheap, then this price is insane.

How easy is it to patch its kernel?

It would seem a mainline linux kernel can run everything apart from the camera on (Redmi 2) SnapDragon 410: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/MSM8916_Mainlining

Re: A Minimum Viable Computer, or Linux for $15

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> molten thermoplastic Unless there are products I'm not aware of, mostly thermo plastics require high pressure injection that isn't feasible for a hobbyist setup. > a not-yet-polymerized resin There are lots of products like this (a bewildering variety, really), but in general they aren't particularly convenient to use, and you'll have a lot of failures. Factors that can mess you up include temperature, humidity, ai…

Thanks! I think I've mostly watched resin casting demonstrations by very experienced people, so I may have unreasonably positive expectations of what is possible, but I think it's fairly common for art students to get some successful resin casts in a single-semester sculpture course? Which I think implies a cost of first success well under US$10000? As I said, I haven't tried it myself. Michal Zalewski makes it sound…

> I think I've mostly watched resin casting demonstrations by very experienced people, so I may have unreasonably positive expectations of what is possible, but I think it's fairly common for art students to get some successful resin casts in a single-semester sculpture course?

It is much easier to get good results with a bit of in-person guidance, and in a controlled environment. There are also optional materials (eg. mold release) and equipment (pressure pot, vacuum chamber, or vibration table, all of which help with both mold-making as well as casting) that make success easier which are harder to justify for a low volume or one-off project.

> Which I think implies a cost of first success well under US$10000?

Well, sure. But you aren't comparing like with like. If you outsource the production of a prototype to someone else using resin casting, it will also probably be cheaper than $10k for the first one (say, $1-5k, because resin casting more or less requires you to have built one with some other method before you can even make molds) but scaling up is going to be more expensive (dozens or hundreds of $ per unit), in part because silicone molds wear out quickly and have to be replaced after being used as little as 5-10 times.

Conversely, if you already have your own machine shop, you may be able to produce your own metal injection molds for much less than $10k and hand it to someone to do a small run.

The two methods trade off (access to) expensive equipment for expensive materials, and up front cost for per unit cost at scale, but if you really only want one neither is attractive.

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Thanks! I think I've mostly watched resin casting demonstrations by very experienced people, so I may have unreasonably positive expectations of what is possible, but I think it's fairly common for art students to get some successful resin casts in a single-semester sculpture course? Which I think implies a cost of first success well under US$10000? As I said, I haven't tried it myself. Michal Zalewski makes it sound…

> I think I've mostly watched resin casting demonstrations by very experienced people, so I may have unreasonably positive expectations of what is possible, but I think it's fairly common for art students to get some successful resin casts in a single-semester sculpture course? It is much easier to get good results with a bit of in-person guidance, and in a controlled environment. There are also optional materials (e…

Interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way! Thank you.
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