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Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by CyberRabbi »

DisjointedHunt wrote: post #175
CyberRabbi wrote: post #144

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Voicing an opinion about something broken is good but Twitter is clearly a silly social media site. Did he not get the memo? It’s like criticizing Tik Tok for having too much clickbait.

Well, i don't think that's fair. Clickbait isn't against even the terms of service for TikTok and it certainly is not illegal activity. Scams on the other hand are (at least a big subset), commercial, which cause financial damage and most scams are codified to be illegal actions in law.

I’m not sure if you intentionally tried to move the goal post but spam != scams

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by distalx »

stevage wrote: post #59
ryanSrich wrote: post #31

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Crazy how we can have such different experiences. I follow less than 100 accounts and easily 50% of the responses are always spam/scams. It makes Twitter almost unusable for me. The most ironic part is that Twitter will show the spam/scams, but hide other replies, from real people, that Twitter thinks are mean.

I follow around 1000. I see almost zero spam. This whole thread is pretty confusing to me.

Use words like "password", "hacked" in you tweet and wait for it.

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by wartijn_ »

nradov wrote: post #171
wartijn_ wrote: post #104

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It's not just a few spam like tweets at the bottom of threads though. If you look at tweets by Elon Musk for example there will be loads, as replies at the top of the threads. Pretty weird how multiple people refuse to believe something can be a problem even though they can't see it.

Why would you ever look at the replies?

There can be many reason. One of them is that you click on a direct link to a tweet, because the replies will often be on the same screen as the main tweet.

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by qqq111 »

Seeing how HN handles potential spam and spammers, I can see why he would think that Twitter don't care... I think that Twitter just want to give more freedom to their users.

HN doesn't mind false positives.

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by Retr0id »

marcan_42 wrote: post #172
Retr0id wrote: post #148

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Same. I follow ~700 accounts, and have ~10000 followers, but I get minimal spam. The vast majority of engagements seem genuine. The last spam I got was where someone tagged me in some bullshit NFT giveaway, where entrants had to tag 5 of their "friends" to qualify. Definitely spam, but at a cursory glance, it was human-generated rather than bot spam.

I get ~one of those NFT spam mentions daily. I don't get why Twitter doesn't outright block accounts that tweet stuff like "giveaway" and "tag.*friends" and are followed by replies that start tagging people, especially people they don't even follow. That's blatant spam. I don't get much other spam though. Edit: oh yeah, on a Japanese account I have I get the odd mass DM offering scam sex/easy money/whatever. I've als…

Thinking about it now, I do go out of my way to avoid mentioning crypto-adjacent keywords, which helps avoid this type of spam. Perhaps it would be much worse if I didn't.

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by marcan_42 »

Retr0id wrote: post #185
marcan_42 wrote: post #172

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I get ~one of those NFT spam mentions daily. I don't get why Twitter doesn't outright block accounts that tweet stuff like "giveaway" and "tag.*friends" and are followed by replies that start tagging people, especially people they don't even follow. That's blatant spam. I don't get much other spam though. Edit: oh yeah, on a Japanese account I have I get the odd mass DM offering scam sex/easy money/whatever. I've als…

Thinking about it now, I do go out of my way to avoid mentioning crypto-adjacent keywords, which helps avoid this type of spam. Perhaps it would be much worse if I didn't.

The keywords seem to trigger scam bots replying to you, but the NFT giveaway stuff just seems to be completely random, based on follow counts, or something like that. It just keeps happening and I've only mentioned NFTs once or twice (to complain about them).

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by DisjointedHunt »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #181
DisjointedHunt wrote: post #175

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Well, i don't think that's fair. Clickbait isn't against even the terms of service for TikTok and it certainly is not illegal activity. Scams on the other hand are (at least a big subset), commercial, which cause financial damage and most scams are codified to be illegal actions in law.

I’m not sure if you intentionally tried to move the goal post but spam != scams

What do you think it means? As someone who's worked with people in spam fighting, i'd like to understand a different perspective if you have one.

Low quality clickbait is almost always tied to a commercial end, be it ad click fraud, ad view farming or malware/phishing on the extreme end of the spectrum.

Anything policy violating that's considered "Spam" is likely to be tied to illegal activity 9 times out of 10.

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by CyberRabbi »

DisjointedHunt wrote: post #188
CyberRabbi wrote: post #181

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I’m not sure if you intentionally tried to move the goal post but spam != scams

What do you think it means? As someone who's worked with people in spam fighting, i'd like to understand a different perspective if you have one. Low quality clickbait is almost always tied to a commercial end, be it ad click fraud, ad view farming or malware/phishing on the extreme end of the spectrum. Anything policy violating that's considered "Spam" is likely to be tied to illegal activity 9 times out of 10.

> Low quality clickbait is almost always tied to a commercial end,

Not everything with a commercial end is a scam. I get spam for legitimate products or services all the time. It’s spam because they are abusing a communication channel as an advertising channel, not necessarily because they are trying to scam anyone.

Re: Twitter doesn't care about spam?

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Post by DisjointedHunt »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #189
DisjointedHunt wrote: post #188

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What do you think it means? As someone who's worked with people in spam fighting, i'd like to understand a different perspective if you have one. Low quality clickbait is almost always tied to a commercial end, be it ad click fraud, ad view farming or malware/phishing on the extreme end of the spectrum. Anything policy violating that's considered "Spam" is likely to be tied to illegal activity 9 times out of 10.

> Low quality clickbait is almost always tied to a commercial end, Not everything with a commercial end is a scam. I get spam for legitimate products or services all the time. It’s spam because they are abusing a communication channel as an advertising channel, not necessarily because they are trying to scam anyone.

So once again, let’s speak about what the issue is not what it is not.

The argument here isn’t that there are no corner cases where legitimate businesses with 401ks tax returns and all that send you too many communications.

On twitter specifically, low quality clickbait is almost always tied to policy violating , if not illegal activity.

If you can’t even admit that, well, you should really engage in conversation with more good faith or more expertise than you have at present.

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