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Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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post #97

I mostly abandonded keeping notes, bookmarks etc because I realised it became another "collecting" exercise and sucked up time far in excess of it's utility. I make specific exceptions (especially for things that may be of use to others) but I become too addicted to the act of collating and organising. Gmail with it's "search don't sort" was an eye opener back in the day. I stopped filing emails and realised with a d…

I’m much the same. I only keep note of: - Stuff that has a lot of details that rarely change (all my insurance policies, what they cover, the policy numbers etc. - Details that are “hot” in my mind right now that I might need in the same detail later (the steps to refill my boiler, the exact type of door handle I bought for my bathroom door when it broke, so I can purchase the same one once my kitchen door handle bre…

Same plan as this + parent comment. I struggle with the collection + curation eventually overtaking the utility of the thing, especially with "valuable information" captured in RSS feeders, bookmarks, etc. Feels more like FOMO at times.

I have a paper notebook that lets me be more present in different scenarios and only capture stuff like actions or critical facts. Likewise key data around policy numbers, cost codes, etc. go into a markdown file.

I used to be a voracious note-and-knowledge capture type between Standard Notes and Obsidian. I'd keep both a daily rolling log of everything I did + cross-ref and expand key items into broader knowledge capture.

It probably has some intangible benefit I didn't pick up on but overall it just felt like a waste of energy compared to letting stuff go, sometimes having to google stuff again, and putting effort into building things and talking to people.

I also started to wonder, what is the value? Documentation, code comments, communication all help to take an idea or understanding from Me -> People. Hoarding notes and digital content for myself really didn't accomplish much other than demanding attention.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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I'm hanging over this for a long time too, util I dive into the https://orgmode.org/, yes! It's all about "organize your life in plain text", I think this is the answer.

Most of the notes you carefully and "secretly" took, are nothing more than some useless information for others, but it helps you to understand the things you're taking or just make yourself to understand your own idea better.

From my perspective, I do not think some note taking procedure would help me to become a better person, to become better, one has to put hard working and generates good ideas, not just pass the exercise or get an A in you exam.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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post #86

All notetaking apps are disappointing with the possibile exception of Obsidian that I haven't tried long enough to have an opinion on. There's no open source standard. No LibreOffice or Krita of notetaking. They all only have a small subset of features one might want. And yet they are critical infrastructure for people's entire life. It's a pretty exciting space.

> There's no open source standard. No LibreOffice or Krita of notetaking. There's UTF-8 and JPEG.

That's more like the vim or nano of notetaking!

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

#205

I love note taking. The act of writing something down gives me so much insight and clarity. It's similar to trying to explain something to other people, it requires a much deeper understanding. Even if I don't share it with anyone it helps me figure stuff out. I don't read back 90% of what I write, the writing itself is what provides most value to me. Although it can be handy to dig into the archives to understand my…

why nota and not obsidian ?

For me, and this is very subjective of course, I prefer the most simple but solid editor, and Nota's editor is great. The little things; excellent preview editor, cmd + d to multi cursor select the next occurrence, option + up/down to move lines around, just like in VSCode. It just gets out of the way and let me do my thing.

Also what I missed in Obsidian when I tried it. I will also simply not use all of its fancy features, not to say they aren't useful, just that I'm not that organized haha.

I also really like how Nota looks; neutral, under styled, minimal. This is oddly important to me haha.

Nothing against Obsidian though, it seems to really excel in its purpose of knowledge base building.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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I think we naturally hit our limits of retention and started searching for solution. Then bought into the promise of silver-bullet solutions promising us both retention and synthesis of our thoughts.

However, we forgot that just reached our natural constraints, and maybe its a good thing. So instead of buying into the next solution, maybe, just maybe we should just do less and filter more.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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post #77

A related question for note-takers: what would you estimate as your rate of reference to prior notes? For my own part that rate is so dismally low that right now I get more value out of making notes than retrieving and reading notes. I'm reminded of a response to another thread on HN a few weeks back about organizing physical documents. Many commenters had very sophisticated processes with scanning, OCR, indexing etc…

I got through all of school, including two professional degrees, organizing all of my notes chronologically. It worked really well for me — right up until I tried to write a novel, hah.

I think the "best process" is driven by goals — my husband gets by just using notepad and plaintext files, because he and I have very different goals with our notes. He's a software developer, and I'm a nerdy scifi author.

As long as his code is documented clearly, he mostly doesn't need a system more complicated than some .txt files and browser history search. Me? I've got way too much going on, and I need to be able to follow reference chains so I can figure out what the heck I was thinking six months ago when I wrote the thing I'm trying to publish.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Rich Hickey, the creator of the programming language Clojure, once talked about the human capacity for juggling and how that actual physical limitation is something that cannot be overcome. Someone can juggle 3, 4, or 20 or more objects, but there is a finite limit to it. https://youtu.be/SxdOUGdseq4?t=735

And in that same vein, the actual physical limitations of what we can juggle in our minds is fallible. So with the leverage that we get with digital note-taking tools, we think that we may be able to cross that chasm with this technology.

Then there's this elusive HOLY GRAIL, which we all think can actually be realized if we find the right tools to solve this problem of off-loading our thinking — so we can do more thinking. Basically, if the notes can be remembered for us, almost automatically, then we can go deeper in ways we never could have imagined, because we're not the ones doing the juggling. We've made use of the digital tools, that are leaps and bounds more powerful than the scattered and siloed, handwritten notes of yesterday.

So as new ways of connecting our thinking through digital writing, such as bi-directional linking and transclusion become commonplace, we get glimmers that maybe it's possible now. And the hunting down of just the right mixture of this primitive, and that feature-set, may turn over the right stones to help us juggle that which used to be impossible.

And in my experience leading and coaching people through implementing a digital Zettelkasten (simple, lightweight note-taking system) it doesn't take a genius to see a pattern from the response to "what do you want?"

The answers all circle around this idea of "leaving something behind."

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