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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by errcorrectcode » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM UTC

belval wrote: post #175

errcorrectcode wrote: post #134

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Doesn't that imply LTC needs to pay more and forbid unvaccinated conspiracy nuts from watching grandma?

Well yes and no. The thing is we have an aging population that we have to take care of and it's been growing for a while now. Consequently we don't have replacement for those unvaccinated workers, they are literally all we have. The government offered a $15k bonus to nurses if they agreed to be full-time and it barely changed anything.

Supply & demand. Pay more, and it attracts more and better employees. Care facilities rake in tens of millions, they can afford to pay more.

I think the US needs massively better immigration customer service and expanded visa programs to attract more medical workers, especially caregivers and nurses.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by tsimionescu » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 10:41 PM UTC

furgooswft13 wrote: post #138

tsimionescu wrote: post #96

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Have you payed for building the roads you drive or walk on to work? The pipes that deliver your water? The fire services? Do you imagine you pay the full cost of the food you are eating? Of the irrigation systems? Garbage pick up and disposal? Management of your local community, including things like accounting for its money etc? Calling taxation "theft" is delusional.

All those things existed before confiscatory taxes were imposed on basically all forms of economic activity. None have improved while the government has stolen 50%+ of my income. In fact they have universally gotten worse, and still more expensive. This is just "basic infrastructure as a service", except the only service you're actually getting for your payment is not going to jail. That's called extortion.

> All those things existed before confiscatory taxes were imposed on basically all forms of economic activity.

When exactly in history do you imagine these services existed, but there were no taxes? Do you somehow imagine Kings weren't collecting taxes (the original reason for the American Revolution)?

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by space_fountain » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 10:55 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #61

space_fountain wrote: post #21

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Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

Citation needed; just like how I can't claim without criticism that the vaccines may have lead to Omicron and other variants - where there is evidence that vaccinated people catch certain variants more than others, and there's also building evidence that you're more likely to catch COVID if vaccinated. Edit to add [I'm rate limited from commenting further for the time being]: Look into the Great Barrington Declaratio…

I almost didn't reply because an argument where being vaccinated makes it more likely to catch covid isn't really worth engaging in, but by the time you posted there was already a number of sources backing up my claim. For example: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597 or for less scientific evidence. https://sf.gov/data/covid-19-cases-and-deaths where the second set of graphs breaks case rates out by vaccination status. I think you've been taken in by a conspiracy theory. It's an easy thing to do especially when people on the other side overplay their hands sometimes, but while one can reasonable argue about the usefulness of vaccinations for reducing spread. I think it's probably more marginal, but there. The idea that vaccination increased the risks of catching covid is pretty crazy. The Great Barrington Declaration appears to have been an alternative argument for managing the pandemic released well before vaccines existed. I can't find any reference to "you're more likely to catch COVID if vaccinated." and again every element of research and common sense I have points to the opposite being true.