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Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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I've noticed this too, but that's also the reason why I use Nitter [0]. I'm also a bit lazy so I've also setup a redirector plugin to automatically redirect every twitter link to Nitter, been happy since then. [0] https://nitter.nl

I want to see localized trends. not on nitter.

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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If you don't need to comment, libreddit is significantly better, especially on mobile, than old.reddit.com.

Also teddit.net, which I find even faster and lightweight without JS.

If you selfhost Whoogle you can have it rewrite all Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and Twitter results to your own self-hosted, js-free alternative front-ends. I love it!

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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Twitter specifically positions itself as a space for public conversation, and is sometimes the only place where people like world leaders and government organizations post their content. Blocking posts behind a login wall seems, at least to me, antithetical to their past messaging.

So the question then becomes: Is there anything wrong with them deciding to go a different direction than their past messaging? Or should they forever be beholden to it?

theres nothing wrong eith a vegan restaurant pivoting to become a steakhouse -- its jist a really bad idea.

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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Twitter specifically positions itself as a space for public conversation, and is sometimes the only place where people like world leaders and government organizations post their content. Blocking posts behind a login wall seems, at least to me, antithetical to their past messaging.

It's not just a Twitter problem. Every major corp out there seems braindead on this issue. One would have thought that even major news publishers would at the very least whitelist their paywall on covid news coverage stories.

I believe both the NYTimes and the Washington Post made their COVID reporting free.

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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> Unfortunately twitter is going the direction of quora, pinterest, facebook, and medium Don’t forget Reddit. Reddit’s login pop-ups are more aggressive than Twitter’s for me. > Now you can perhaps read ten tweets or replies to a linked tweet without an account before the same thing occurs Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think any company is obligated to provide unlimited access for free without an account.…

I disagree. When Reddit, Quora, Medium, Twitter started, they have posed themselves as privately owned public spaces, much like Wikipedia. This was the 'social' contract they presented to users. They built their monopolies on top of the goodwill of users. I'm pretty sure that subject matter experts who wrote extremely long-winded and well-researched articles on Roman battle tactics, did not do so with the intent, tha…

On the other hand, for example Tumblr never implemented a login wall, and as a result a large majority of tech folks (including most HN commenters) completely misunderstood the product.

It's primarily a social network, but that's never clear if your only exposure to Tumblr is some random blogs, some of which use blog themes that have usability issues. Most of Tumblr's functionality is literally invisible to you if you never create an account. It's a lot closer to "LiveJournal meets Geocities" than it is to WordPress.

However, a login wall was a no-go since it's obnoxious and interferes with users who want their blog to be a public-facing presence, or use Tumblr as a CMS, or as a traditional blogging platform etc.

In terms of the "login wall or no" question, for platforms that combine social networking with public-facing user-generated content, I don't really think anyone's found a good solution yet.

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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> Instead they were user-friendly at first, Twitter’s experience for users today is the same as it was at the start. The word “user” is key, though. The experience has only changed for people who aren’t yet users (with logged in user accounts) of Twitter. > A bait and switch, tricking people into relying on them, This doesn’t really make sense. If you rely on Twitter, you make an account. You can’t really rely on Twi…

You're assuming that people with accounts don't care if people without accounts can't read their tweets (and can't read them anonymously), and that for some reason reading Twitter doesn't count as "using" it. Do they not show any ads if you're not logged in?

They don't show you ads based on your phone number's tie in to the real world. That's then problem they want to solve

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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I disagree. When Reddit, Quora, Medium, Twitter started, they have posed themselves as privately owned public spaces, much like Wikipedia. This was the 'social' contract they presented to users. They built their monopolies on top of the goodwill of users. I'm pretty sure that subject matter experts who wrote extremely long-winded and well-researched articles on Roman battle tactics, did not do so with the intent, tha…

On the other hand, for example Tumblr never implemented a login wall, and as a result a large majority of tech folks (including most HN commenters) completely misunderstood the product. It's primarily a social network, but that's never clear if your only exposure to Tumblr is some random blogs, some of which use blog themes that have usability issues. Most of Tumblr's functionality is literally invisible to you if yo…

Why should I understand Tumblr or any other product? I and others as well were happy with just reading the ramblings of other Internet users. As for the other side, publishing your texts or photos on the Internet for others to view, isn't enough?

Re: Tell HN: Twitter is growing increasingly unusable without an account

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Old.reddit.com is the only remotely usable form of the website and seems to have none of the obnoxious popups.

I feel anxious every time I see old.reddit mentioned. If it gains traction, they may want to "improve" it.

Their CSS is completely broken and nearly unusable on mobile.

They're clearly "improving" it.

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