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I've worn those during fire season; I feel like any benefit from breathing would be erased by how uncomfortable they are on the face.
Was that a cup style one? Depending on your facial shape, they can be very uncomfortable. Try a 3M Aura flat fold. Life changing for most healthcare workers.
The case against masks at school
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> Recorded deaths do not differentiate between "died from covid" and "died while covid positive" making death statistics hard to interpret. This has never been true and remains false.
The UK Government Covid death statistics literally say "deaths with Covid", and are defined as "deaths within 28 days of a positive test". So it is true, and always has been. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
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> Marin County, CA and Santa Cruz, CA county have 95% vaccination rates and are doing worse in ICU capacity than Escambia county, FL who has 55% vaccination rates. Marin and SC counties have 13% of beds filled by covid patients. Escambia has 21% filled by covid patients. This appears to directly contradict what you claimed.
We're talking about ICU capacity. That's what flattening the curve is all about. Marin and Santa Cruz have LESS Covid patients and are closer to overflowing than Escambia. Also covid patients only make up 13% of the ICU? Something is odd with your flattening the curve narrative blaming overflow on Covid patients.
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We're talking about ICU capacity. That's what flattening the curve is all about. Marin and Santa Cruz have LESS Covid patients and are closer to overflowing than Escambia. Also covid patients only make up 13% of the ICU? Something is odd with your flattening the curve narrative blaming overflow on Covid patients.
Icus in normal times stay at 70% capacity, so covid adding 20-30 percent capacity fills them up. Doing what CA does, flattening the curve and keeping covid induced capacity at 10-15% allows hospitals to continue functioning normally.
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I live in seattle. It's dark and cold. Hell the mask helps, it's great for keeping my face warm. I don't consider myself locked up. I miss in person game nights the most, i miss dinner with friends (in a private home or restaurant) somewhat. We do gamenights online using videochat and products like roll20 and boardgame arena. It's not super awesome but it works for us for now. I leave the house, go on walks go shoppi…
Seattle is sunnier and warmer than most of Europe.
People complain about seattle's wetness a lot, but as someone that's lived here their whole life we generally get a few stright up downpour days, but most days (in the colder months) are somewhere in the overcast and misty to drizzly range.
It doesn't really change my assertions though. Even on days with downpours I'm pretty happy to swaddle myself in rainjackets and waterpoof shoes and take a walk or wait for takeout outside. When we had our little bout of snow this month I took walks every day, but little to no takeout because seattle essentially shuts down at the sight of the first flake.
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I dug out a more accurate number, 93.6%, from the Washington dashboard. Even at 93.6%, the remaining 6.4% unvaccinated can't overwhelmingly account for hospitalizations even if they are being hospitalized at 7x the rate. https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard edit: According to the dashboard, 59.5% of people in the hospital with covid like illness are 60+. That's vaccinated and and unvaccinated comb…
60% still strikes me as dominating, because the percentage of the US population that is over 60 years of age is way less than 60%.
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This is the fundamental issue with coronavirus mitigation measures. There are circumstances in which "drop everything" makes sense - if coronavirus were ten times more fatal, we'd do it naturally. But in general, looking at life from a perspective of "what is the minimum possible quality of life we can have" is depressing and fundamentally incompatible with the human spirit. I tend to think that people who operate in…
> I tend to think that people who operate in this way are subhuman, in the genuine sense of the word - they seem more like bureaucratic automatons than living beings with spirits and hopes and dreams. Quick capsule hypothesis-- you tend toward thinking in a way that results in you having written the word "subhuman" on HN because an active pandemic tends to increase feelings of disgust in the affected population. Did…
I specifically want to exclude bureaucratic people from my life, it's not a new thing since coronavirus. I don't find the "pandemic" disgusting at all, to be honest, it's a low severity virus. I've had it, zero negative effect.
I genuinely find it bizarre that people would have an issue with me using a potentially slightly offensive word to describe someone, but have no issue with the use of force to seperate people from their families.
Like, you need to go right back to basics on your entire thought process there because there's been a complete logical breakdown.
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So he should foot the bill for private school because people like you don't understand basic statistics, or even bother to look at the data? With all due respect, there's a name for fear that is divorced from reality and not in proportion with the actual risk: paranoia. And that's what this is. The number of kids who have died of COVID is in the hundreds, over a two year period. TWICE AS MANY KIDS DROWN EVERY YEAR. V…
> The number of kids who have died of COVID is in the hundreds, over a two year period. That's just deaths, though. What about other long-term effects? Long COVID and MIS-C come to mind. > TWICE AS MANY KIDS DROWN EVERY YEAR. And you'll notice that schools tend to take measures to prevent drowning - namely, barring unsupervised access to bodies of water deep enough for kids to drown. > The number of children dying of…
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00431-021-04345-z
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#mis-national-surve...
Everyone will inevitably be exposed to the virus anyway. Whether that exposure occurs in school or somewhere else hardly matters. We can't wrap our children in protective bubbles. At some point they have to exist in the real world with all of it's risks.
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Icus in normal times stay at 70% capacity, so covid adding 20-30 percent capacity fills them up. Doing what CA does, flattening the curve and keeping covid induced capacity at 10-15% allows hospitals to continue functioning normally.
Sounds like maybe whats causing the curve to need flattening is the 80% of non-Covid cases in the ICU?
So I went ahead and checked this, and it's wrong.
Escambia's ICU capacity is 87% full, SC's is 90% full (and SC is a bad choice, as they have a total of 21 ICU beds in the county, they use bay area ICU beds for overflow, which are currently sitting at ~80% capacity), and Marin's is....40%. So I'm not sure what data you're looking at, but it seems to just be wrong.
Secondly, no, covid capacity really is the problem, because for the last year and a half, hospitals were reducing non-critical care. That means you have tons of people who need hip replacements or brain surgery or tumor removal who haven't been able to get it. Many of them will need to recover in the ICU a bit, so you'd want a higher baseline ICU use post-elective surgery freeze, as that implies that the "clog" is being recovered from.
If the hospital is still full due to covid patients, those elective surgeries will never get done, leading people who never caught covid to suffer too. So low covid capacity, but higher overall use temporarily means that we're catching up to all the deferred non-covid care, something we really need to do!
The other possibility is that you mean that the 70-80% that ICUs normally run at is somehow problematic (because well like I just said, we did actually "flatten" it by deferring elective ICU recovery for more than a year in many places). The US already has more ICU beds per capita than most nations, even other developed nations, so I'm not sure what your idea here is other than perhaps, "The us population is too unhealthy or is providing too much healthcare", which are both interesting positions to take for sure.
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This. Adults have offloaded as much of the burden of the pandemic on young people as possible. - Suicide rates are through the roof - Developmentally delays - Societal debt And it goes on. Medical professional have it rough… oh well! Open up more medical schools, theres far more people willing to go to med school than get in. Id rather not go to the Dr. and not need prescriptions to buy most drugs. Lets loosen those…
You can't open up more medical schools because the American Medical Association has lobbied for decades and use their accreditation authority to put a cap on the number of seats in med schools in the US. There's been virtually no change since the 1980s despite a 30% increase in the population. They are perhaps one of the most significant drags on economic growth in the history of the United States. Because of the art…
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-fun...