In the end, you're treated like a spy, says MIT scientist

Post by kragen » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 5:46 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #278

nonethewiser wrote: post #244

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I don't see an equivalent turn of events in the US. Could you share what you mean?

Objectively speaking (I think both 'sides' are equally confused): * People losing their careers over reactionary views/speech * Historical monuments/names being destroyed (mostly relating to CSA/overt racism) * Record levels of distrust. Anyone could be a Trumpist or "far left radical", so keep your distance. * Large organizations are installing ideological offices to keep reactionary behavior in check, some going as…

Post by matthewdgreen » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

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The parent comment says " any researcher's talk, paper, research, materials, etc. must undergo an export controls review first before it leaves the United States or is shown to a foreign national. This is SOP at every research lab in the United States. " My purpose in the comment is to point out that such review is not legally required for public academic research, and there are good constitutional and policy reasons…

"[p]ublic domain information which is published and is accessible or available to the public, unrestricted: publications & conferences, patents, fundamental research." That's the definition for what falls under public domain and isn't export controlled, but say you are the one first publishing and bringing it in to the public domain. Would that first publication of something that isn't currently in the public domain…

Post by arrozconcosas » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 5:52 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #285

throwawayarnty wrote: post #10

The worst part of these accusations is that your reputation is tarnished whether you are guilty or not. This instilled a sense of fear in every person even if they are innocent because you can still be targeted and your career ruined. If this scientist was just stating out, rather than already established, he would likely have had to quit science. There should be some penalty for false accusations that can compensate…

That's true and that's unfortunate. At the same time, how do you balance national security versus avoiding situations like this one? One of my takeaways from studying the McCarthy era was that there really were a lot of spies and communist sympathizers in America at the time. It wasn't some figment of someone's imagination. Likewise, I think we have good reason to proceed under the assumption that China is trying to…

Post by 908B64B197 » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

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Agreed. It seems like the details matter here. Were the affiliations suspect but not reportable? Or were the affiliations unremarkable and not reportable but prosecutors screwed up?

> were the affiliations unremarkable and not reportable but prosecutors screwed up? Yes, the prosecutors royally screwed up. From the article: "Prosecutors had floated the idea of a deferred prosecution agreement, which would have allowed him to return to work and apply for government grants in the future. In return, said his lawyer, Mr. Fisher, he would have to admit to having some ties to China, none of them a viol…

Post by KerrAvon » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #278

nonethewiser wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see an equivalent turn of events in the US. Could you share what you mean?

Objectively speaking (I think both 'sides' are equally confused): * People losing their careers over reactionary views/speech * Historical monuments/names being destroyed (mostly relating to CSA/overt racism) * Record levels of distrust. Anyone could be a Trumpist or "far left radical", so keep your distance. * Large organizations are installing ideological offices to keep reactionary behavior in check, some going as…