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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by tomcooks »

metalised wrote: post #75
yumraj wrote: post #25

Probably not the advice you're looking for, but looks like you have a blog also and am assuming that some/many of your subscribers also look at your blog. So, you may want to use your blog to spread the word about losing your page so that your subscribers know what's happening and you don't lose many of them. In addition, while you should keep looking at ways to recover your FB page, but you may want to take this opp…

Thank you for the advice! The problem with this is that, even though the Facebook Page was simply mirroring the content on the blog, most of the interactions with actual bands and fans was via the Facebook page, not the blog. I don't really know if the blogpage itself has the same readership; if anything it's the other way round: I'm worried that with the Facebook page gone, people won't know to find the blog. And wi…

If there's a community that's going to hunt you down until they find the info they need in your ultraspecific, obscure, niche blog, it's metalheads.

Open a quick forum and work on it, build SEO articles, ask people to share articles on other pages, and grow your community double the one you had on FB instead of despairing and worrying about stupid upvotes. Best of luck

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by tomcooks »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

The "digital plaza" ownership and total control on one's own community is a literal 2.99 euro/month VPS running mastodon away.

Shitposting one's thoughts by arranging pixels on a public forum is NOT a necessity, it's a luxury. If you value it as a necessity consider funding your own for yourself and others you care about, it would end up costing about 7 euro/year if you find even just 4 other like-minded persons.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by teleforce »

sakopov wrote: post #201
teleforce wrote: post #193

This is yet another many postings on HN recently that used term hacker as the culprit for what essentially a potential crime committed by cracker or intruder. You won't call a robber, an entrepreneur would you? Using the word hacker for those doing illegal activities just undermine the hackers community. Please use the correct terminology for the benefit of the relevant societies and communities.

If we want to talk about proper use of terminology, the word "hacker" was adopted by web 2.0 startup scene and became a bullshit buzzword. The original definition has nothing to do with entrepreneurship or malicious intent (as advertised by media and pop culture).

Perhaps you've got a point where HN was originally started by PG for VC related news, if I'm not mistaken.

Personally I cannot recall a single article that misused and abused the term 'hacker' for 'entrepreneur' in HN postings. But if you can point out even one single title in HN posts that replaced the word 'entrepreneur' with 'hacker' it will be helpful. I probably can show you several misused and abused the term 'hacker' or 'hacking' inside HN post titles for the past week alone. Seriously the misuse and abuse of the term need to stop, period.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by weedfroglozenge »

metalised wrote: post #137

Update: I updated my blog to reflect the discussion taking place here: https://metalised.wordpress.com/2022/01/27/metalised-faceboo... Thank you everyone for your support and vivid discussion. I hope this manages to reach the right eyeballs eventually! ---- Further update: I can't edit the post itself anymore, but someone from Meta reached out! Thank you so much, kind stranger, and thank you HN! You rock!

And does it look like they'll be able to restore it? :)

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by MrsPeaches »

emteycz wrote: post #173
MrsPeaches wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Famously communist UK as well. BT (British Telecom) was the state owned telecom provider that also ran the phone books. And famously communist Germany with Deutsche Telekom (Formerly part of the national post system, privatised in 1995) that also made telephone books. Also worth noting that the German government still has a significant stake in Deutsche Telekom. Oh and famously communist Netherlands with KPN the stat…

I never said only communist states could own/owned telecoms. A lot of these changes - even in the west - came to be after communism in Europe has fallen.

The original quote was:

> The yellow pages were absolutely run by state-owned telecom operators, less than 25 years ago, all over Europe.

You then said

> Only because of the communist past

How is that not saying that it is only due to a communist past that there were state run telcos that were producing yellow pages?

Tbf I didn’t mention each and every name of the yellow pages equivalent (because time) but I think the assumption that the state owned telcos ran their respective yellow pages is fairly safe. Happy to be proven wrong though!

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

vertis wrote: post #16

Sometimes company legal teams can be the most accessible way to draw attention to something like this, and I don't mean in a combative way. They're very risk conscious, they see a '10+ years of building a heavy metal community, gone like a puff of smoke' in terms of risks, both of bad publicity but also if you were to somehow litigate because of the damage to your business or project. Often they have an email address…

> You can potentially request all your data (and data about the hack)

It is impossible to backup the existing page using Facebook Download Page tool for a page with large number of users, I've been trying that for months[1] to delete my Facebook account. Perhaps if initiated by their end it might be possible but then again does requesting user data using personal account include page data as well?

There's now a 'How can I reach a human at Facebook' post making to the top of HN every month in vain. I think that Facebook employees in HN don't want to reveal themselves for obvious reasons, But what I would really like to understand is what reasoning a company has to remove all support systems?

Closest I can come up with is "We can control all user actions on our platform to X% accuracy that we don't need any support system for the eyes and just maintain it for the wallets".

[1] https://abishekmuthian.com/meta-is-holding-my-facebook-page-...

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Post by im3w1l »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #205
im3w1l wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My only issue with Mastadon is that regular busy working people with families to raise on depressingly low wages cannot justify the effort to participate. If if can’t work for all of our society, it can’t work for our society. Period. That's assuming it doesn't get simpler and cheaper over time. I don't think being hard to use is inherent rather it is because the technology is not yet mature.

I’m not necessarily assuming that! But I guess IRC still isn’t simple and cheap enough, and how long has that been around?

Irc is controlled by greybeards that love it just the way it is. They love their setups with bouncers and bots and scripts and how it can run in a terminal. Irc isn't getting better because they don't want it to.

New kid on the block Matrix might become eventually become a good choice for regular people.

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Post by unionpivo »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #129
ygjb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us still live in functioning democracies. Also, it's worth pointing out that relying on privately owned or publicly traded corporations is not an effective strategy for preserving freedom; those businesses will only do that as long as they can justify it to their shareholders (private or public), and are subject to whatever laws apply in the jurisdictions they reside in (kind of the reason alot of 'western' c…

> Some of us still live in functioning democracies. Where I am now I need to show a QR code to buy food and there is a curfew at 10pm. None of these measures had been discussed in the latest elections and they even violate existing laws. I don't know how you can call most of the world a functioning democracy.

> I don't know how you can call most of the world a functioning democracy.

At lest where I live the (sometimes silent) majority supports such actions. We are having elections in few months and its not a big issue because most but few fringe parties and people support such actions.

That's the democracy for you. And most of the time it works, except when it doesn't :) (As far as I know nobody came with a better system jet.)

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