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Nobody here is advocating for avoiding vaccinations so your entire point is moot.
> Nobody here is advocating for avoiding vaccinations so your entire point is moot. I consistently see anti-vaccination rhetoric on HN.
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Masks as used by 90% of the mask wearing population which is only 40%? Of the total population dont work well* If you feel like you should wear an N95 properly to be safe then you should do that. But let’s not pretend we can get everyone to properly wear N95s
Whether people currently wear a particular type doesn’t indicate whether they are effective. If people knew that they actually are effective , more would wear them.
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> Gosh, it's like vaccines work and that's the way out of this. You know, I see snarky little comments like this becoming more and more common on this site, and I'd just like to point out that they are not helpful in any way. Who is it directed towards? Do you think you are convincing anyone , or encouraging a productive discussion? I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people on this website are va…
> You know, I see snarky little comments like this becoming more and more common on this site, and I'd just like to point out that they are not helpful in any way. It just represents a general fatigue that a lot of people have with the anti vaxxers. That we have hard numbers that vaccines actually work seems to be irrelevant to them, so maybe they would be convinced by snark and sarcasm instead? > In my opinion, that…
It's far more nuanced than that. I have now had three doses of the vaccine, and I had Covid subsequent to the third dose. Israel is now moving on a fourth dose, and the vaccine manufacturers are making an Omicron-specific variant. If my city continues with prior behavior, and mandates a booster for a virus I've now had, am I an "anti-vaxxer" for not wanting the unnecessary dose?
That you're characterizing the situation in this binary way says a lot to how the entire issue has been treated as a cartoon political issue. But many millions of people are in exactly this situation, today (i.e. those who already had Covid, and are now being required to get a vaccine).
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Perhaps instead I might be following Covid guidelines for the following reasons: so I don't pass the infection onto those who are indeed vulnerable; so I don't overtax an already overtaxed healthcare system and healthcare workers. Part of the ineffable human spirit, IMHO, is altruism: which in this case can manifest as taking on a set of mild day to day inconveniences in order to help others be happier and safer. I d…
> so I don't pass the infection onto those who are indeed vulnerable; so I don't overtax an already overtaxed healthcare system and healthcare workers This seems reasonable and is a common point of view. It does make me curious though. Did you get a yearly flu shot prior to Covid? If not, has Covid changed your mind about this?
To the subject of the article: If our child's school decided to not require masks (they currently do) I would go ahead with that without undue worry about the children, assuming the school were representing the will of the teachers. I believe overall the teachers should have the strongest say in the matter because they're the highest risk group involved.
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If you don’t want to contract it feel free to make whatever personal decisions you think will prevent it. Don’t use your fear to control others and prevent them from making their own decisions.
The problem with this argument is the slipperiness of the slope. So we shouldn't try to enforce gun laws either, eh? You're either going to have to be more specific, or concede that we live in a society where individual actions have consequences that influence others.
If they did, a vaccine mandate to protect others would make sense. However, since they dont getting/not getting the vaccine mostly impacts the individual it is odd that we have vaccine mandates.
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> Gosh, it's like vaccines work and that's the way out of this. You know, I see snarky little comments like this becoming more and more common on this site, and I'd just like to point out that they are not helpful in any way. Who is it directed towards? Do you think you are convincing anyone , or encouraging a productive discussion? I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people on this website are va…
I actually want to hear good reasons for avoiding vaccinations, because many people care a lot about that. I can understand immuno-compromised people, an underlying medical condition, for whom a vaccine may not work or may be dangerous. Undergoing chemotherapy treatment for cancer? Got it: vaccines won't help you (or anyone else) until you can get past the cancer. I don't agree with an argument from stand-my-ground,…
General observation from reading the comments - the folks on HN must not have many friends working in medicine for if they had they'd realize those friends are swamped and burned-out. They'd also know that pretty much the only condition we're treating nowadays is Covid. Surgeries are continuing to be postponed - including surgeries that can lead to worse problems down the road such as removing cancerous tumors. And i…
> You can see what our child-bearing aged children think of all this - they're not having kids. I don't think this is a short-term aberration. We're a population literally in decline. I'm one of these folks. I think it's wrong to blame this solely on COVID. I won't have kids because my position in the United States is nowhere near guaranteed. I have survived three economic recessions, one of which I lost everything i…
But understand: the vast majority of human history is colored by a desire to grow a family in order to provide strength to their progeny knowing that they, in turn, will face an unkind future and can be protected, in some degree, by their kin.
Sounds like you're at the end of a multi-billion year winning streak. Your ancestors did well.
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> Vaccines do not stop transmission of Covid nor do they stop you from getting Covid. They don't stop it, but they do decrease your chances of acquiring it and they do reduce the viral load you shed. > They merely decrease your chances of getting severe Covid or dying from Covid. So they prevent you from taking up a hospital bed, exposing the people who have to care for you to COVID and preventing other non-COVID eme…
Should we apply the same standards to the obese? Arguably a greater strain on our health care system.
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Which is why indoor dining rooms should still be closed. Pretending we aren't living through a pandemic that is respiratory in nature is fucking madness. Maybe if we had locked down harder for longer and treated this thing seriously in the beginning we wouldn't be almost two years into this with no end in sight.
No, Covid is low risk if you are vaccinated and elderly/at risk and extremely low risk if you are younger (vaccinated or not) It’s endemic. Its not going away. We are all going to get it. (Me: triple vaxxed, had covid 2x) Getting vaccinated is a personal heath decision (which I encourage) Time to move on.
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> Vaccines do not stop transmission of Covid nor do they stop you from getting Covid. They don't stop it, but they do decrease your chances of acquiring it and they do reduce the viral load you shed. > They merely decrease your chances of getting severe Covid or dying from Covid. So they prevent you from taking up a hospital bed, exposing the people who have to care for you to COVID and preventing other non-COVID eme…
Should we apply the same standards to the obese? Arguably a greater strain on our health care system.