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Post by dekhn »

meheleventyone wrote: post #500
jacknews wrote: post #454

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But Ronaldo became famous for his football, not his sexy body. Everyone knows sex sells, but some people (not only men) get upset when they see people promoting themselves with their own sexuality, especially when it's in an unrelated field. I think Naomi is great, but I can see why some people get upset by the way she presents. I wonder how less attractive maker women feel about her, for example?

People weren’t just upset at how she looks they outright questioned her technical merit because of how she looks. And yes women can have misogynistic views as well which are just as unacceptable.

I mean, if you look at the base rates of how makers and engineers dress, she's about as far as it can get from the mean. However, if you were at burning man or the DNA lounge, she'd fit right in with a bunch of other hackers and attendees.

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Post by aaomidi »

will4274 wrote: post #66
aaomidi wrote: post #27

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US doesn't really have a unified culture. Compared to countries that have a strong cultural weight on the world, the US is pretty puritan.

> Compared to countries that have a strong cultural weight on the world This thread is a goldmine of the most politically correct ways to say "the middle east doesn't count"

I'm literally Iranian. Our cultural machine does not exist outside of the country.

This isn't the same as Turkey, but their cultural weight does not impact English speaking countries.

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Post by aaomidi »

deltaonefour wrote: post #35
aaomidi wrote: post #27

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US doesn't really have a unified culture. Compared to countries that have a strong cultural weight on the world, the US is pretty puritan.

>US doesn't really have a unified culture. I disagree. Yes it's multicultural; but there are unified attitudes and cultural behaviors that purvey the country. Foreigners who come from abroad to live here maintain their own cultural identity while adopting American culture. What do you mean by strong cultural weight? You mean like Japan or China?

Japan definitely has a strong cultural weight, but in animated content in English speaking countries.

China has no cultural weight on English speaking countries.

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Post by boznz »

WesternWind wrote: post #371
Jach wrote: post #325

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A user (I'll leave them unstated) deleted a reply with a metaphor along the lines of "what do you expect if someone wears a clown suit when speaking at a technical conference?" Well, here's her speaking at a tech conference, in "context-appropriate" attire that is neither skimpy nor a clown suit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt1OLgGIqhc In "She wears skimpy outfits sometimes", sometimes is really the operative wor…

If you have the skills, it generally shouldn't matter what clothes you wear. Even if you don't have the skills, it generally shouldn't matter what clothes you wear. Like don't strap knives to your arms, and do wear a good mask, but generally we spend a lot of time policing other folk's bodies and attire, and for what?

Agree.. As long as my dick isnt hanging out of my shorts Im generally good to go. (Helps my customers are pretty laid back too)

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Post by WesternWind »

albertzeyer wrote: post #381
WesternWind wrote: post #371

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If you have the skills, it generally shouldn't matter what clothes you wear. Even if you don't have the skills, it generally shouldn't matter what clothes you wear. Like don't strap knives to your arms, and do wear a good mask, but generally we spend a lot of time policing other folk's bodies and attire, and for what?

It depends maybe on the circles you interact with, but in some circles, people are not taken seriously which try too much to adhere to the conservative business dress code by wearing a suite with tie. This is actually a common meme: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/fbwnd0/im_... https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/ajthjb/thi... https://www.quora.com/What-do-people-think-good-programmers…

I mean if they are trying to make someone else like me wear formal clothes, yeah I wouldn't take them seriously. I wouldn't work for a company which polices what I decide to wear like that.

But if an individual just wear one themselves by choice, it's silly to judge them for that choice. Interviewing is hard, maybe they feel more confident in a suit.

I feel company culture should be less about someone's personal style/clothing/hobbies than if someone, for example, berates and yells at fellow employees who make a mistake or talks calmly through issues without treating others like they are the problem.

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

igetspam wrote: post #448
dfxm12 wrote: post #447

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generally we spend a lot of time policing other folk's bodies and attire, and for what? I'd guess it stems from some feelings of insecurity.

Speak to feminist scholars. It's far more entrenched than that. We have numerous systems deeply entrenched in our model for society that encourage this, specifically against women. We create incentives for insecurity and then prey on it. Keeping women under a microscope, consciously or not, maintains the status quo in business, government, public spaces, etc and as you follow the path back, it almost always has roots…

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

igetspam wrote: post #475
tsol wrote: post #464

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Why not ask then instead of paternalistically assuming you know why they think that way and how to fix them? If women feel a certain way it's still their right to. I disagree with this idea that if a woman agrees she's correct and if not she was just brainwashed by society. This feels like just another way for men to take away agency from women. I imagine they have a multitude of reasons they feel that way. Some may…

These aren't _my_ assumptions. There is a world of research on these topics. All people can and do have their own opinions but when we're talking about oppressed people (women are oppressed), we have to follow the path by asking "why?" * Why do little girls suddenly start to ask if "boys are better" when they get to school? * Why do we feel the need to tell people out opinions about how they look? * Why is a tattoo o…

women in the west are more free, privileged, and protected than any other group of humans ever in history

little boys also ask if girls are better when they get to school. both sexes are curious as they grow up. school is also dominated by female teachers and there are now more girls in school than boys.

the rest of your questions are nonsensical. people are people. norms exist. they might change but there will always be norms, and they will be tied to masculine and feminine expressions too.

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Post by Ancapistani »

darkerside wrote: post #380
Ancapistani wrote: post #171

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> she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. Yeah, she’s definitely pushing the boundaries… but I’m not convinced that she does it to gain subscribers. I recall speaking with her in what I believe was her first “public” appearance on the Internet, on Reddit, several years ago. She put up with a lot of sexist crap[1], and disappeared for a while shortly thereafter. I thi…

She's doing it for attention, and that's ok, right? People want to be noticed, and they want to control what others notice about them (see fashion industry). I think there's some give and take that comes along with that. I don't find it that surprising that the bust video was demonetized, or any of the others, frankly. That's the cost of expanding the Overton window, I guess.

> She's doing it for attention, and that's ok, right?

I have no problem with her doing it for attention. I’m only saying that I don’t believe that’s her motivation.

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Post by gompertz »

Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

>>Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people.

You mean; seems to get upset by a lot of people.

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