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Poorly. Many word problems I had were't actually reflective of real world, everyday living. You know, the sort of things folks working a minimum wage job might encounter. I find it absolutely amazing that we haven't done this better since it has been an issue for literally decades.
I enjoyed math in my Physics classes because of the real life context it is used in.
Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
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Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
#152To me, the ultimate solution for this problem is teaching philosophy before maths.
The ideal route is philosophy -> history of maths -> maths
I heard that Govs don't want to add this subject into school because it will create revolutionary thinkers and it sounds more like obfuscation to me.
Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
#153I would really love it if there was some type of Leetcode for math. I grew up in a very liberal artsy environment and was actually warned against taking advanced math for most of my life. It wasn't until college, taking requirements for my CS major, that I realized I actually find it fascinating and have an aptitude for it - but then college ended and I just have barely done any math since. If anyone has any resource…
> I grew up in a very liberal artsy environment and was actually warned against taking advanced math for most of my life. What possible rationale was there for that?
Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
#154Math is incredibly useful; probably everyone here knows that. But it's actually fine that most people don't use it. What we really need is for every student to realize why math is useful -- so that if they want to, they can go learn it so that they can make some kind of technological contribution to the world. The fact is, you need to be good at math to make some new fundamental breakthroughs in technology. Those bre…
> "how many meters of fence does Farmer Bob need to keep the sheep inside the pen" is not inspiration -- it's drivel I recently had to do a line integral to figure out how much coiled pipe I could fit inside a trench of a given width (trying to lay out geothermal loops in my yard to see if they fit (they don't)). I came up with a parametric formula that approximated the coiled pipe shape and integrated to get a lengt…
Parametric forumae and equations can be incredibly useful. I remember learning about them at school but we never applied them to any realworld examples. Even at the time I recognized that without practical examples our understanding of them would be problematic.
Unfortunately, the problem with most mathematics training - especially so at high school - is the overly theoretical approach used in teaching it. It seems to me that at least in high school we should place much more emphasis on the practical application of mathematics.
The theoretical approach is all very well for the 'gifted' and those with a mathematical bent but it's often of little help to many other students. I blame this mainly on those who write the textbooks and set the syllabuses. After all, they're the ones who are good at math so they project their theoretical worldview of mathematics onto everyone else.
A classic example of the problem is the dozens of trigonometrical identities that we had to learn at school many of which were of no known practical use to us students at that stage of our training. Sure, at university they came into their own but by then one's already more adept at mathematics so they then start to make sense.
The same can happen at university too, I recall the tedium of learning vector algebra and matrixes without them being of any seeming use. At the time, no one bothered to explain how incredibly useful they are when it comes to manipulating Maxwell's equations, etc.
It's occurred to me it would be very useful if we had a website (and perhaps also in reference book form) devoted to providing mathematical solutions to thousands of realworld problems of a practical nature.
For instance, problems could be grouped alphabetically so they're easy to find. Once located, one would find various solutions to the problems (each solution using a different mathematical technique, etc.). For instance typical entries could be:
Interest, Compound
Interest, Simple
Moreover, the website could be made interesting if we also included additional mathematical information such as short biographies on famous mathematicians together with how they arrived at their discoveries, etc.
Of course, the site would be graded so as not to scare off the mathematically timid, that way it would also useful to those who are more advanced in mathematics. I envision it as a short of Wiki for math solutions.
This may not be the ideal solution to the problem and it'd be a great deal of work to set up (but like Wiki it could come together with the help of thousands of volunteers).
Unless we tackle the problem in a tangential manner - in a different and hopefully more successful approach from the past then I don't think we'll ever solve the problem.
BTW, I found parametric equations very interesting from the outset. It was obvious to me how they could overcome an impasse and thus solve some otherwise awkward problems - although I can't say I had such insight uniformly across other branches of mathematics.
Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
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To be a little nitpicky about these sort of problem "How many fence posts should Farmer Bob buy"? "Farmer Bob would be pretty stupid to drive an hour to the hardware store to buy 20 fence posts and 100m of fence, because Murphy's Law and what if one happens to be bad or someone cuts wrong and we're short 2m of fence?" yes, growing up on construction sites does that to you, the problem is badly phrased if it's saying…
>To be a little nitpicky about these sort of problem "How many fence posts should Farmer Bob buy"? Sure. I'll go with that. Farmer Bob can be a part of a case study. We start off simple. Farmer Bob buys exactly as many posts as necessary... then he discovers shrinkage/theft/errors The next project, Farmer Bob uses linear extrapolation from the past 5 projects and buys X% extra posts... but then he discovers new emplo…
At first kids just learn how many fence posts and fence is gonna be there in the end. I.e. how much do you need to buy ignoring some things. Like you ignore friction losses in physics in many cases, especially in school.
Extrapolation and Linear regression you learn later on to solve the same problem better! Love it!
Similar thing happens (or at least happened when I was in school) in chemistry. We learned the Bohr model and it could be used to explain everything that we learned about. Towards the end we learned that there are some things that model can't explain and that there's another model that can explain those things and so we learned about that and also that it's totally fine to keep using the Bohr model for a lot of stuff as it's easier. Like ignoring friction losses in physics and the predictions/calculations come close enough in most cases that it's still useful but much easier to comprehend and calculate than if you had to take them into account.
Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
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Same here - that experience is why I aded that exception. Until Calculus/Physics though, I don't think there's much added benefit - except maybe an occasional "here's how algebra helps while grocery shopping".
When I tutored elementary kids, physical examples really helped with fractions.
Seems reasonable that as you introduce new concepts having a physical equivalent would make it easier.
Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
#157So much of modern math education, especially once you get into high school, is centered around _computation_ instead of _reasoning_, so you get a lot of kids who spend an entire year doing random integration problems or charting a bunch of useless functions/conic sections instead of really understanding fundamental structures, reasoning, problem solving, etc. It's just rote computation, but we have computers for that…
cynically: computation is easier to mark than reasoning.
Re: Why don't we use the math we learn in school?
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"Why" won't meet the KPIs and metrics though.
What I find interesting is that so many schools don't meet the KPIs and metrics anyway despite stripping away most of the educational experience that isn't test prep. If that was yielding great test scores it would be one thing, but even that isn't happening in many states (or any state that I've looked at but I only pay attention to a few).