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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by Giorgi » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

metalised wrote: post #126

Giorgi wrote: post #66

sorry dude, its gone. It is not deleted though, it is merged with larger page they are building. I know because something similar happened to me ( I allowed it to happen out of curiosity. )

what exactly happened to yours then, if I may ask?

scammer PM'ed me, asking if I would sell, asked to get low level access to check audience, I know it was a scam but got really curious, because it was really low role access so I thought "what kind of damage can he do really" to myself.

It was small page so I went with it, granted role (I will not go into specifics for obvious reasons) and waited... as soon as he got the role, he (or maybe someone helping him) claimed my page from another account and confirmed with this newly granted role by me, quickly removed me and merged it into bigger page.

As I was looking at it I actually managed to click "Cancel" button several times when he was sending claims and made it as troublesome as possible but eh.

It is a loophole that Facebook has not closed yet, I tried to inform them but tools are really rare for that.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by zxcvbn4038 » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

astura wrote: post #166

throwaway946513 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The unbanked Americans are people who either are unable to open an account, or have been denied opening accounts. To cash their checks, keep their income, etc..., they have to pay much more in fees. Historically (in the U.S.) it was rooted in racism post-U.S. civil war. Now, less so. The history is still there, and the inability of poor people to obtain an account still exist. It excludes people from getting mortgage…

I know a few "unbanked" people. Some know don't have a bank account because they simply don't trust banks. They want to have access to 100% of their money 100% of the time. Some don't have a bank account because they don't have income (adult dependents) One didn't have a bank account because she was a minor and there was no adult around willing or able to open one for her to use. When I was a kid I knew of a few adul…

I don’t blame them, places like Citibank and Chase exist to dip into your account as frequently as possible. Do you think it really costs $45 to handle a bounced check? It’s a completely automated process, costs them a fraction of a cent if you agreed to electronic documents, the rest is pure gravy.

However if your in the US and having trouble with the banks I’d recommend looking for “millennial” banking which is usually zero fee, but you can’t write paper checks and they are remote only.

My wife was paying almost a thousand a month in fees at a regular bank, after I moved her to one of the millennial banks she really prospered. She can’t overdraw the account anymore - and it’s not really an issue since the bank is no longer taking half her paycheck.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by emteycz » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 9:22 PM UTC

MrsPeaches wrote: post #161

emteycz wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You picked one example where it doesn't fit while there are at least 8 EU countries that did exactly what I said. BTW yes here in Central/Eastern EU we deem France very very leftist, just few small steps away from full-on socialism.

Famously communist UK as well. BT (British Telecom) was the state owned telecom provider that also ran the phone books. And famously communist Germany with Deutsche Telekom (Formerly part of the national post system, privatised in 1995) that also made telephone books. Also worth noting that the German government still has a significant stake in Deutsche Telekom. Oh and famously communist Netherlands with KPN the stat…

I never said only communist states could own/owned telecoms. A lot of these changes - even in the west - came to be after communism in Europe has fallen.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by 8bitsrule » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 9:38 PM UTC

These big companies don't much care about people who don't fit into their plans.

At one point I was 4 years into a Blogger blog when someone decided to create Google+, insisting that everyone needed to supply their real name. When I signed up for G+ with my blogger alias, they shut down access to the blog until I complied. Since I was (miracle!) 'free to export' 4 years of blogposts, I did ... and each and every one of the exported posts had a Google link embedded in it.

In short: to 'free' automated services - despite any cozy feelings of 'belonging' we feel - we are insects. 'Community' isn't in their vocabulary.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by jbkiv » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 10:08 PM UTC

So sorry metalised, not much you can do and no legal recourse/appeal as you have agreed to the TOS. FB will not help much either.

The a lesson to be learned here. Zinga learned that with Farmville in other circumstances. If you can, don't build on the top of some other companies, a FB, an Instagram, Pinterest, or a Gmail/Maps. Rug pulls do not happen solely in crypto.

There are exceptions of course: build something good on the top of salesforce and if you get traction (=paying customers) they will buy you.

More and more posts on HN are written to show how evil those companies are (Amazon to their third party merchants, Google or Facebook to their users), but you have choices in life, simply build a different model. The lesson is: don't build your whole business with faceless companies, even worse if you don't pay for the services. What do you expect in return?

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by im3w1l » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #102

maxbond wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to point out something my sibling commenters seem to be missing; nopenopenopeno never suggested that the _government_ run these services instead. They said that private companies were incapable of doing this, and that competition was not a suitable mechanism for achieving the necessary outcomes. It is quite possible that neither the state nor private industry can do this, and that we need _something else_. I…

I appreciate your comment and I don’t mind putting my cards on the table: I am a Marxist. I believe in democratic institutions by the people and for the people. Capitalist states will never suffice. Social democracy is good, but unsustainable. Soviet Communism was a failure, but a single failure. Capitalism is a necessary step in human progress, but it cannot last. Libertarian solutions, as you propose, are no more i…

> My only issue with Mastadon is that regular busy working people with families to raise on depressingly low wages cannot justify the effort to participate. If if can’t work for all of our society, it can’t work for our society. Period.

That's assuming it doesn't get simpler and cheaper over time. I don't think being hard to use is inherent rather it is because the technology is not yet mature.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by bduerst » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

650REDHAIR wrote: post #38

cousin_it wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about private companies. I have an account at a private bank and am not afraid of something like this happening at all. Because to the bank I'm not just an abstract "username and password": the account is tied to my real world identity, so in the last resort I'll prove to the bank that I'm me using state provided means. I'm getting more and more convinced that online accounts important to people's livelihood…

I see you haven't been a victim of identity theft yet. It doesn't take much to hijack a bank account and eventually you will regain access, but it isn't as simple as you might imagine and a fair amount of damage can be done in a short period of time.

Most banks/CUs/payment processors automatically have insurance for these types of bad actors, even if it takes months to claw back your identity. Credit reporting typically takes much longer to fix but GP was referring to their bank.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by rmason » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

I went through something similar and this brings up some very bad memories. Facebook is way too lenient about taking away control of pages. Saddens me to know years later that things still have not changed.

You're going to have to reach someone who works at Facebook. Going through official channels can be an exercise in extreme frustration. It shouldn't be that way at all but it hasn't been a priority for them to do better.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by NaturalPhallacy » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 10:27 PM UTC

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

I would say it's another one of those things like private health insurance and no public option. It's not failing, it's working exactly as intended for our domestic oligarchy.

Much like having two parties that are mostly the same on major foreign and economic policy, having the digital plaza be managed by mostly a few big companies that are all politically aligned, and cozy with the government is a great way to pretend to have free and open discourse when the reality is we have no idea what's happening behind the scenes and it's all a-okay according to some because they're "private businesses".

While it's true that the first amendment only applies to the US government, the concept of free speech predates the US constitution by about 2200 years and is still important.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by bduerst » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 10:28 PM UTC

throwaway946513 wrote: post #63

scarface74 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly how does commerce happen without banks at any scale? Banking has been around a lot longer than social media.

The unbanked Americans are people who either are unable to open an account, or have been denied opening accounts. To cash their checks, keep their income, etc..., they have to pay much more in fees. Historically (in the U.S.) it was rooted in racism post-U.S. civil war. Now, less so. The history is still there, and the inability of poor people to obtain an account still exist. It excludes people from getting mortgage…

That's the history, but you're missing the context of today. Many "unbanked" americans are immigrants voluntarily trying to avoid reporting and stay off the grid.

The solution lay in busting bias and fixing immigration laws though, not banking.