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Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

sbarre wrote: post #120
teakettle42 wrote: post #89

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Vienna is one of the nicest and wealthiest cities in Europe. LA is a car-centric sprawling cesspool. Even for the US, it’s uniquely terrible. If you’d moved to some of the less desirable locations in Europe, you’d probably find them to be a shithole, too. Your lack of perspective (“how much of a shithole the USA really is”) is something I’d only expect from someone half your age on their first backpacking tour of Eur…

Geez someone hit a nerve, eh? I'm a Canadian and I've travelled most of Europe, and most of the US (among other parts of the world). The simple fact that the US doesn't have universal healthcare, and refuses to do anything real about it, or other endemic self-inflicted issues like gun violence - problems the rest of the modern world solved long ago! - kinda puts you at the bottom of the list of modern/developed count…

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's unbelievably repetitive, tedious and nasty. Exactly the opposite of what this site is meant for.

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Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

boffinAudio wrote: post #4

I've done it, and it was one of the best decisions of my life. WHERE: I'm Australian, moved to LA when I was 18 and lived there for 15 years. Then, I moved from Los Angeles to Germany (Duesseldorf), and then to Vienna, Austria. WHAT SACRIFICE: No more In 'n Out Burger, no more decent Mexican/TexMex food, no more LA food trucks. These are literally the only things I miss about the USA. Literally every other aspect of…

You started a hellish nationalistic flamewar with this, and then broke HN's guidelines extremely badly all the way through this thread. We ban that sort of account, so please don't post like that again.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting from now on, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

boffinAudio wrote: post #114
teakettle42 wrote: post #89

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Vienna is one of the nicest and wealthiest cities in Europe. LA is a car-centric sprawling cesspool. Even for the US, it’s uniquely terrible. If you’d moved to some of the less desirable locations in Europe, you’d probably find them to be a shithole, too. Your lack of perspective (“how much of a shithole the USA really is”) is something I’d only expect from someone half your age on their first backpacking tour of Eur…

The Ruhrgebiet is a shithole. But then again, so is Florida. As is North Dakota and most of Utah. Arizona is pretty nice, but I probably think that only because of my Australian skin. The USA is a huge shithole, and if you don't understand why anyone would think that, I have a bridge to sell you .. under which live 12 families, kids and all, who couldn't pay their medical bills after Mom/Grandpa died of cancer. It is…

I'm sorry to pile on, but flamewar comments like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074086 are completely unacceptable on HN, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, and regardless of which country or countries you have a problem with. No more of this, please.

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Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

boffinAudio wrote: post #46
FPGAhacker wrote: post #23

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I don’t know how much of the US you experienced, but LA is hardly representative of the country.

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I don't normally scold the same user 4 times in one thread, but what you did here was so nasty and so shocking that I don't want anyone to run across a comment like this and not see it moderated.

If you post like this to HN again, we are going to have to ban you. Please read and follow the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. The quality of discussion we want here is at the opposite end of the pool.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

notch656a wrote: post #53
boffinAudio wrote: post #46

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Please do not feed flamewars on HN. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Edit: you posted a lot of other flamewar comments to this thread too. That's not ok, regardless of how bad other comments are or you feel they are. If you'd please review the site guidelines and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

notch656a wrote: post #386

"Essentially no gun violence"* *If you ignore wide swaths of the 20th century, during which certain disarmed Dutch citizens were systematically sent to be executed. Which by the way, happened within plus or minus 1 expected lifetime of your future children.

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074656.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by sbarre »

dang wrote: post #451
sbarre wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez someone hit a nerve, eh? I'm a Canadian and I've travelled most of Europe, and most of the US (among other parts of the world). The simple fact that the US doesn't have universal healthcare, and refuses to do anything real about it, or other endemic self-inflicted issues like gun violence - problems the rest of the modern world solved long ago! - kinda puts you at the bottom of the list of modern/developed count…

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's unbelievably repetitive, tedious and nasty. Exactly the opposite of what this site is meant for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Ok, feedback received. I was sharing my personal experience, as a counterpoint to the previous post. It seemed on topic and relevant based on the overall discussion.

I don't feel like my reply was nationalistic (I'm Canadian, we're the least patriotic people around!), inflammatory or nasty in any way, but I will skip these kinds of convos in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by notch656a »

camgunz wrote: post #447
notch656a wrote: post #423

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>The rest of your comment feels like it's from the perspective of someone who's not tried these lifestyles, or is naive to their costs. This couldn't be further from the truth. I was born and raised in the midwest, and founded my career there. I raised my family there for some time as well (and you may be suprised, but my brown wife and half brown daughter were never mistreated because of their race, even in our whit…

> This is utter bullshit, have you ever lived in the midwest? Yeah I've lived across Iowa, Indiana, and eastern Pennsylvania for ~30 years. I spent a few years in NYC and I've been in DC for about a year now. Since it seems relevant, I'm also a straight white atheist guy. I'm actually very happy the midwest works for you; there are a lot of benefits and I weirdly kind of hold out hope for it. But my guess is climate…

Appreciate your perspective.

I disagree on a few points but I think your move to the Netherlands is right for you. I don't think it's going to be very productive to continue on some of these points, although I have to be honest I think you're just kind of offloading the responsibility of protecting you onto someone else and hoping for the best when you relinquish legal means of armed defense. But it's worked for the past several decades (as long as you don't look further back), for most the people most the time in the Netherlands, and you're probably of European appearance, so there may not be much risk to you personally if you're surrounded by people who may see you as one of their own. Fortunately as someone of international mobility it's a decision for you rather than a position of no alternative.

I think we've pretty much drilled down into political reasons being a very significant reason for your choices. I also lament the problem of poor political tractability in the US, although I think some of this has to do with federal consolidation of power in a nation with wide interests, culture, region, economy, and values. EU has solved this by have a loose confederation of nation which for each individual nation may be more homogenous than US, and maybe the US could offer more to different sets of values by breaking up some of the federal power that forces bad compromises for everyone.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by dang »

sbarre wrote: post #457
dang wrote: post #451

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Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's unbelievably repetitive, tedious and nasty. Exactly the opposite of what this site is meant for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Ok, feedback received. I was sharing my personal experience, as a counterpoint to the previous post. It seemed on topic and relevant based on the overall discussion. I don't feel like my reply was nationalistic (I'm Canadian, we're the least patriotic people around!), inflammatory or nasty in any way, but I will skip these kinds of convos in the future.

I'm also Canadian. It's very easy to perceive nationalistic provocations when they come from other people in other countries. It's much harder to perceive it in oneself, because one takes one's own assumptions and style of expression for granted.

Swipes like the following are nationalistic putdowns, no different from the kind of thing we ask other users not to post here:

> kinda puts you at the bottom of the list of modern/developed countries

> Y'all have real problems that you could solve but _choose_ not to

> It's obviously not all bad

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Post by shetill »

EricE wrote: post #449
shetill wrote: post #407

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How safe is US compared to EU?, you can get shot in US literally anywhere. Doubt anyone doesn't have a gun there. It's true you make a lot more money there but every day is a Russian roulette.

lol - I'm always fascinated with the fixation on guns in the US. Outside of a few urban areas with brain-dead local policies that exacerbate and end up promoting it, gun violence isn't much worse than other kinds of violence combined vs. other countries. Indeed in totality the US is probably below the other averages. I mean is there still talk of banning people in London from having a steak knife on their person whil…

Which areas would you recommend to avoid there and which areas are good to be a SWE in?
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