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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by throwoutway »

belval wrote: post #129
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #120

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They had almost 2 years to prepare for this. Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? So, you have a system that cannot competently do its work prior to crisis cannot plan with enough time and *further chooses to shoot itself of the foot by limiting their labor None of these seem to indicate that those in charge care about taxpayers in the process. What is the government…

> Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? There is no vaccine mandate for workers. They tried to push for it initially but they realized that they couldn't deal with the unvaccinated workers leaving, especially in long term care homes.

So nurses & doctors are banned from buying groceries then? (Putting the article and your comment together)

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by qtzl »

pbourke wrote: post #101
SSilver2k2 wrote: post #63

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Yes, such a cruel and unusual punishment to have your groceries delivered directly to your door.

Not everyone is able to do that, for a number of reasons: - not capable of using a mobile app or website for ordering - low language proficiency - not able to be at home to accept delivery during the day - don’t have a means of payment compatible with online ordering - live paycheck to paycheck and depend on going to the store “on demand” to make essential purchases (such as on payday). Often after normal delivery ho…

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by qtzl »

rdsubhas wrote: post #168
dmarchand90 wrote: post #167

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Remember this is the province that effectively made English illegal and has a well-staffed language police

I originally thought you were kidding. But dang, you were not! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_d... > Citing a Montreal restaurant for having a small "recommended on Tripadvisor" sticker in the bottom corner of a window. The complaint was that the sticker was in English and there was no French version displayed. > Issuing a letter of complaint to the owner of a board game store for mostly s…

Why? US and Anglo-Canadian corporations will not spend a penny more than they need to advertise and serve a largely bilingual population. Not protecting the French language will lead to its quick marginalisation, as has happened to approximately all minority languages surrounded by much bigger cultural and economic entities, with few exceptions. If you think preserving a different culture is important, the law is logical and required.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by belval »

throwoutway wrote: post #171
belval wrote: post #129

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> Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? There is no vaccine mandate for workers. They tried to push for it initially but they realized that they couldn't deal with the unvaccinated workers leaving, especially in long term care homes.

So nurses & doctors are banned from buying groceries then? (Putting the article and your comment together)

Unvaccinated nurses and doctors are banned from shopping in non-essential stores which include superstores (Walmart/Costco) with a grocery section.

They are allowed to go to regular grocery stores.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by belval »

errcorrectcode wrote: post #134
belval wrote: post #129

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> Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? There is no vaccine mandate for workers. They tried to push for it initially but they realized that they couldn't deal with the unvaccinated workers leaving, especially in long term care homes.

Doesn't that imply LTC needs to pay more and forbid unvaccinated conspiracy nuts from watching grandma?

Well yes and no. The thing is we have an aging population that we have to take care of and it's been growing for a while now. Consequently we don't have replacement for those unvaccinated workers, they are literally all we have.

The government offered a $15k bonus to nurses if they agreed to be full-time and it barely changed anything.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by philistine »

rdsubhas wrote: post #168
dmarchand90 wrote: post #167

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Remember this is the province that effectively made English illegal and has a well-staffed language police

I originally thought you were kidding. But dang, you were not! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_d... > Citing a Montreal restaurant for having a small "recommended on Tripadvisor" sticker in the bottom corner of a window. The complaint was that the sticker was in English and there was no French version displayed. > Issuing a letter of complaint to the owner of a board game store for mostly s…

My grandmother was forced to shop in English through the mail-order catalogue, even though she did not know a word of it. She managed to do it, but collectively we decided we would no longer allow anglophones to force English-only services on a francophone community. That's it.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by DanBC »

loceng wrote: post #169
Tiktaalik wrote: post #158

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You've convinced me. We need to open up. It's critical for people's mental health that people need to see marvel movies in theatre unmasked. dead bodies be damned.

Since you don't seem to like to read much, here's a specific statistic that shows how the statistic you presented is grossly misrepresenting the situation by masking reality: "CDC saw 51% increase in suicide attempts by adolescent girls during pandemic [age 12-25]" https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/cdc-saw-51-increase... And the source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm But who cares if there…

We're not seeing an increase in deaths by suicide, and most countries are not seeing an increase in deaths in that age group.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6...

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by space_fountain »

Baloo wrote: post #162
space_fountain wrote: post #161

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This feels a bit like moving the goal post like a few different times. This is about the claim that vaccines don't reduce spread, that appears to be false. You're reacting like this is about if people have at least a moral obligation to get vaccinated. While I do think that's true, I think it's more productive to stay strictly to the facts. Ok though if we're going to move the goal post. > Shouldn't people be isolati…

One of the single most important things we can do to slow the spread, is isolate when we're sick or in contact with someone that tests positive. If we did this one step effectively, it would reduce infection significantly. It's something done extremely well in countries like SK, Japan, China. People who need to isolate should be sent care packages so they don't need to go out to the shop, they should update their sta…

Well sure, but vaccination helps too, we can and should do both and not throw up our hands and do nothing because we aren't doing the optimal thing

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by loceng »

DanBC wrote: post #177
loceng wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you don't seem to like to read much, here's a specific statistic that shows how the statistic you presented is grossly misrepresenting the situation by masking reality: "CDC saw 51% increase in suicide attempts by adolescent girls during pandemic [age 12-25]" https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/cdc-saw-51-increase... And the source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm But who cares if there…

We're not seeing an increase in deaths by suicide, and most countries are not seeing an increase in deaths in that age group. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352.full?ijkey=NDYZgh6...

So quality of mental health gets written off as unimportant - a 51% increase in attempts doesn't matter, only if they were successful would you care? Is that what you're suggesting?

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by dmarchand90 »

rdsubhas wrote: post #168
dmarchand90 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember this is the province that effectively made English illegal and has a well-staffed language police

I originally thought you were kidding. But dang, you were not! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois_d... > Citing a Montreal restaurant for having a small "recommended on Tripadvisor" sticker in the bottom corner of a window. The complaint was that the sticker was in English and there was no French version displayed. > Issuing a letter of complaint to the owner of a board game store for mostly s…

Yeah in my original comment I was a bit careless in dropping the nuance of the situation. Even as a anglophone Québecer I'm actually in favor of laws to protect the French culture (look at Louisiana which only has a small handful of native French speakers as an example of what can happen without such protections)

But, I think it's a good example of showing Québec does things different than the US, and their libertarian notions (for good and for ill) do not totally apply for the province

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