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The case against masks at school

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Re: The case against masks at school

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Post by mh- »

hydrok9 wrote: post #186
mh- wrote: post #174

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I wonder if the shallowed breathing is a physiological response that only some of us experience while wearing masks. It could explain why there are two very different experiences for people when masked. I fortunately don't experience panic attacks from wearing a mask, but I will consistently get a headache from wearing one. And it's the same-feeling kind of headache I get from being in another enclosed space without…

It could be. To me it doesn't feel like there is a difference in the cadence of my breathing, after I put the mask on. I simply have less oxygen coming in. I probably should be breathing more deeply, all the time! Then perhaps the mask wouldn't make a noticeable difference. But after a lifetime of dealing with anxiety, I've learned to trust my body. My mind can lie to me when im anxious, but my body generally doesn't…

Yeah, this matches my experience as well. The air simply feels less.. airy. Like I can't get a deep enough breath. I'd love to understand the science behind it.

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Post by rhino369 »

copperx wrote: post #134
rhino369 wrote: post #113

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Read between the lines. They are marketing for people who don't want to wear a mask but have to. These "masks" are designed to do the bare minimum to get you onto an airplane. It's not supposed to protect you.

Surgical masks do the same. They're easy to breathe in, they offer little protection, and you can board an airplane with them. I don't see the point.

These are supposed to easier to breath in. Surgical masks still fog my glasses. Whether the product delivers on those claims, I have no idea.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

k2enemy wrote: post #69

I thought the paragraphs about requiring KN95 in schools were interesting. My kids' school district recently had a policy change that requires everyone to wear KN95 or KF94 masks. What I've noticed is that most kids (including mine) have switched from high quality (Halo) well fitting cloths masks with filters to 95 or 94s with huge gaps around their noses. It is hard to believe that this is an improvement in safety.

It's safetyism. It's to prevent snarky parents from speaking out and holding the school liable if one kid gets a head cold from Omicron.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

Avshalom wrote: post #103
restingrobot wrote: post #87

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>"let god sort em out" is just eugenics. LOL its not eugenics, its the same for every other infectious disease without a vaccine. Everyone will get omicron/some variant at some point.

But we have a vaccine.

But it doesn't work (well enough) to matter.

Re: The case against masks at school

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Post by TameAntelope »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #190
TameAntelope wrote: post #164

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It's only infinitesimal due to all of the precautions being taken. Remove those precautions, and more children will die. Also pretty great, you're cool with a couple dozen kids dying because otherwise some kids might be mildly inconvenienced by wearing a mask. The discomfort is infinitesimal, the response should be proportional.

More children dealing with Covidism (it's a cult at this point) enforced in schools are going to off themselves from the psychological abuse of being denied a social life than will be saved by enforcing cloth mask policy.

Luckily Covidism isn't real, so it's not very harmful to children.

Re: The case against masks at school

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Post by giantg2 »

spookthesunset wrote: post #111
throwaway22032 wrote: post #102

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This is the fundamental issue with coronavirus mitigation measures. There are circumstances in which "drop everything" makes sense - if coronavirus were ten times more fatal, we'd do it naturally. But in general, looking at life from a perspective of "what is the minimum possible quality of life we can have" is depressing and fundamentally incompatible with the human spirit. I tend to think that people who operate in…

For two years we’ve been asked to park our problems and to act like literally all that matters is the spread of Covid. Nothing else matters. Just a myopic fixation on the spread of one highly infectious respiratory virus. Even a year after vaccines we are still being asked to treat Covid like it is the #1 priority in our lives. More important than our well being, our mental health, our communities, our children, or a…

"Even a year after vaccines we are still being asked to treat Covid like it is the #1 priority in our lives. More important than our well being, our mental health, our communities, our children, or anything else."

Depends on where you live. There are many rural/red areas that are basically back to normal.

Re: The case against masks at school

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Post by JaimeThompson »

aeternum wrote: post #20
criddell wrote: post #18

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I have a mostly positive opinion on the CDC and I wonder if some of the problems are a result of political influence? The WHO and their fight against the idea that COVID is airborne is even more confusing to me. It felt like they didn't even want the idea discussed.

What gives you a positive opinion of the CDC? By their own admission they have lied to the public multiple times. That's not something that is indicative of good leadership, even if supposedly done for benevolent reasons.

>By their own admission they have lied to the public multiple times.

Supporting evidence please.

Re: The case against masks at school

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Post by jedberg »

wonderwonder wrote: post #37
throwaway22032 wrote: post #21

The case against masks is quite trivial and generalizable across most industries. Today, a teacher now has two realistic options: a) self-isolate indefinitely, either teaching remotely or quitting their job b) contract coronavirus at some point Given that, masks are an irrelevance. A teacher who is clinically vulnerable and unwilling to roll the dice is left only with the option to quit their job, regardless of wheth…

My kids school district did not require masks but highly recommended them. I figured I would send the kids to school with masks as I did not want to be disrespectful to their teachers who I assumed would be masked out of concern with being around so many children all day. None of their teachers wore masks, so that was the end of that. Essentially 15% of people including teachers and students wear masks. None of the a…

Do you know what the positivity rate is of your school population?

Our school requires masks at all times on campus, inside or outside, vaccinated or not (we're in California). However, prior to omicron we had 0 cases (school has about 500 people at it teachers+staff+kids). With Omicron we've only had 37 cases.

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #102
criddell wrote: post #15

My kids attend a university in Canada and live in residence on campus. They have had incredibly strict rules around masking and gatherings. It's clear that they are only considering one variable - number of infections - and it seems like they aren't considering any other factors. For example, in the dorm there is a common area with a piano. Because of COVID, playing that piano is banned. Even if there was a reasonabl…

This is the fundamental issue with coronavirus mitigation measures. There are circumstances in which "drop everything" makes sense - if coronavirus were ten times more fatal, we'd do it naturally. But in general, looking at life from a perspective of "what is the minimum possible quality of life we can have" is depressing and fundamentally incompatible with the human spirit. I tend to think that people who operate in…

>There are circumstances in which "drop everything" makes sense - if coronavirus were ten times more fatal, we'd do it naturally.

It was pretty damn fatal when we had no containment measures or vaccines. We're in a totally different situation now, and need to get out of the "minimize cases" mentality.

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