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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by tyingq »

Jolter wrote: post #86
dn3500 wrote: post #49

Too late now, but it's a good idea to keep your own backups of all your FB data. There is a well-hidden option under the settings to make and download a zip file with all your posts, comments, photos, everything. Worst case this can be used to rebuild your community elsewhere.

How would you rebuild a community - start a new Page on Facebook and re-invite all you previous followers?

Probably difficult as FB used to allow a lot more leeway on how FB groups and their posts were shared. The road to xx,xxx group members is a lot harder than it once was.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by scarface74 »

ygjb wrote: post #125
scarface74 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the US has the highest incarceration rate of any western country. The police routinely stop and harass minorities for no other reason than the color of their skin, the judicial system routinely hands out harsher punishment for the same crime when the defendant is minority, etc. Even when you take race out of the equation, when you look at the congressional make up in the US and compare it to the party more people…

I don't know what to tell you. The people of the United States have continuously ceded power to their government, and the corporations that wield influence over it, while being spoonfed lies about what freedom actually means by government and media. The right to bear arms supercedes the right to live in safe communities (and as a former infantry man, I can assert that more weapons in the hands of untrained civilians…

And this is my point. Because of the makeup of the US government - by the constitution - the red states have more influence on the government than their populations should allow. You add on gerrymandering, it gets worse.

It’s a structural issue. The majority of people in the US are for universal healthcare, freedom of choice, more gun control, etc. The majority of states oppose those things.

We already have to deal with tyranny of the minority in our own country, why would we want other countries involved too?

None of the issues you raised have anything to do with private companies.

No one is forcing me to use any of the Big Tech companies’ services. They can’t force me not to state my opinion like the federal government can - there are laws in some states where abortion providers must tell their patients things that are untrue. Other states have laws forbidding doctors from asking patients about whether they have guns in their house.

As far as myself, I have a lot greater chance being treated fairly in tech (where I have been working for 25 years) than if I as minority get pulled over by the police (the government).

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by hffftz »

bko wrote: post #10
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

You're assuming that public organizations would run a more secure responsive network. My interactions with public institutions makes me doubt this assumption, especially for something as vast and complicated as facebook's network.

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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by metalised »

mxuribe wrote: post #33

I'm sorry that this happened to you. What i am about to propose is not a solution for you for now unfortunately. But maybe something to help for the future...Have you considered starting a new presence for yourself and your community on the fediverse (e.g. mastodon, pleroma, diaspora, friendica, etc.)?? This will take work and time of course and maybe not all members will follow you over, but if you start a new commu…

There is no "legacy FB page" to join as a participant. That's the problem. The hackers deleted the page.

I mentioned it to another poster here, but essentially I tried to inform my subscribers about the hack before the page was deleted, as part of a high-profile post (the end of year best metal albums post, which is the yearly highlight of the page, and always gets a lot of visibility).

Unfortunately, not many people seemed to notice or act on the 'hack' stuff in the post, even though the post itself did actually get a lot of votes and 'thank you' replies from bands. But only a handful of people subscribed to the 'backup' page that I mentioned in that post.

Unless I manage to get the page restored somehow, the best I can hope for is that next year, anyone who "actively" looks for the end of year list and notices the page is gone, might decide to google 'metalised', end up on my blog, see what happened, and subscribe to the backup page ... but that already feels like it would be too much effort for the average facebook user, even if they did get value from that community. To be honest, it's more like the commenter below says. If my Heavy Metal community A disappears overnight, chances are people will simply jump over to Heavy Metal community B rather than start looking for 'fediverse' stuff (I don't even know what that is, to be honest, and I doubt many of my subscribers would either).

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by jokethrowaway »

scarface74 wrote: post #115
ygjb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us still live in functioning democracies. Also, it's worth pointing out that relying on privately owned or publicly traded corporations is not an effective strategy for preserving freedom; those businesses will only do that as long as they can justify it to their shareholders (private or public), and are subject to whatever laws apply in the jurisdictions they reside in (kind of the reason alot of 'western' c…

So the US has the highest incarceration rate of any western country. The police routinely stop and harass minorities for no other reason than the color of their skin, the judicial system routinely hands out harsher punishment for the same crime when the defendant is minority, etc. Even when you take race out of the equation, when you look at the congressional make up in the US and compare it to the party more people…

@ygjb a few points:

> The right to bear arms supercedes the right to live in safe communities (and as a former infantry man, I can assert that more weapons in the hands of untrained civilians does not make communities more safe).

True, they need training. In 1966 the city of Orlando trained women to shot and the number of rape incidents dropped 90%.

> The right to an health care (abortion) is superceded by so called "religious freedoms".

That's not health care, that's killing another human being. Your freedom ends where the life of another human being begins.

> The right to vote is superceded by politicians who rewrite election laws and electoral districts to choose their constituents.

Are you referring to forbidding criminals to vote and democrats paying what's due for them so they can vote (presumably left)? I can't say I feel too strongly about that because voting is pretty useless. Rich people will anyway buy the government whether that's right or left.

> Freedom to discriminate is beginning to supercede the right to freedom from discrimination.

This is a massive problem, I agree. Positive discrimination and allowing companies to favor women and minorities (excluding asians, they're doing good enough on their own) is pure racism / sexism.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by ygjb »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #129
ygjb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us still live in functioning democracies. Also, it's worth pointing out that relying on privately owned or publicly traded corporations is not an effective strategy for preserving freedom; those businesses will only do that as long as they can justify it to their shareholders (private or public), and are subject to whatever laws apply in the jurisdictions they reside in (kind of the reason alot of 'western' c…

> Some of us still live in functioning democracies. Where I am now I need to show a QR code to buy food and there is a curfew at 10pm. None of these measures had been discussed in the latest elections and they even violate existing laws. I don't know how you can call most of the world a functioning democracy.

Yep, vaccine passports suck, and I say that as a supporter of them. I am not going to argue the merits or flaws of them with a throwaway account, but they have not been found to violate laws, and no jurisdiction in Canada that I am aware of has had to use exception powers (not withstanding clause, or reasonable limits under Section 1 of the Charter).

As for not being discussed in the latest elections, "if we are elected, we will implement vaccine passports" was largely the premise for the last Federal election in Canada, and while they didn't win in a landslide, Canadians voted in a government to implement them.

I don't think "most of the world" is a functioning democracy, but in Canada, our democracy is functioning, if continuing to be undermined by our political parties. Democracy around the world is at risk, and spreading misinformation about actual election outcomes and unpopular, but legal policies doesn't really help.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by metalised »

Update: I updated my blog to reflect the discussion taking place here: https://metalised.wordpress.com/2022/01/27/metalised-faceboo...

Thank you everyone for your support and vivid discussion. I hope this manages to reach the right eyeballs eventually!

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Further update: I can't edit the post itself anymore, but someone from Meta reached out! Thank you so much, kind stranger, and thank you HN! You rock!

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by barbazoo »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #119
barbazoo wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rather try to educate the people I know about the consequences of relying on companies like Meta for things like that hoping it doesn't happen to them. That's all we can do. And I guess contributing to the technology that enables alternatives.

But saying build it yourself isnt educating. It's akin to saying, "You should have known better". Sure. They should have. They probably did. But when someone is asking for help and you say you should have made a different decision 10 years ago to prevent this you are not educating.

There are plenty of alternatives out there to build a community, sell things, etc. The bit about contributing was aimed at people like us who work in software.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by hombre_fatal »

You can do this on Reddit. No matter how successful and busy a subreddit may be without the presence of moderators, you can request ownership of a subreddit if the moderators have not been active in some time.

I found this out when someone did it to me. I had an account that I only used for moderation duties. I didn’t need to post on it. My community was doing just fine.

Well, Reddit transferred it to someone else and they turned it into an SEO spam generator.

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