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The case against masks at school

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Re: The case against masks at school

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The case against masks is quite trivial and generalizable across most industries. Today, a teacher now has two realistic options: a) self-isolate indefinitely, either teaching remotely or quitting their job b) contract coronavirus at some point Given that, masks are an irrelevance. A teacher who is clinically vulnerable and unwilling to roll the dice is left only with the option to quit their job, regardless of wheth…

I mix in society, wear masks everywhere, and have yet to contract coronavirus.

More likely, you've had contact with it but it did not cause any symptoms.

I don't think it is possible to avoid Coronavirus at this point. Unless someone had barricaded themselves in for the past 2 years they are likely to have had contact with the virus at this point.

Re: The case against masks at school

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The case against masks is quite trivial and generalizable across most industries. Today, a teacher now has two realistic options: a) self-isolate indefinitely, either teaching remotely or quitting their job b) contract coronavirus at some point Given that, masks are an irrelevance. A teacher who is clinically vulnerable and unwilling to roll the dice is left only with the option to quit their job, regardless of wheth…

I mix in society, wear masks everywhere, and have yet to contract coronavirus.

You will get COVID at some point, and it won't be because you were careful, you forgot to wear a mask, or you encountered unvaccinated/unmasked people. It will be because this virus is endemic and at some point everyone will get it.

The idea that somehow getting or not getting COVID is due to level of diligence is absurd on its face.

Re: The case against masks at school

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The case against masks is quite trivial and generalizable across most industries. Today, a teacher now has two realistic options: a) self-isolate indefinitely, either teaching remotely or quitting their job b) contract coronavirus at some point Given that, masks are an irrelevance. A teacher who is clinically vulnerable and unwilling to roll the dice is left only with the option to quit their job, regardless of wheth…

I mix in society, wear masks everywhere, and have yet to contract coronavirus.

I've been exposed to covid-positive people multiple times in my home (each time they found out they were positive after), no masking involved.

I get tested after each exposure and have yet to get it either.

Wearing masks and not catching covid is like wearing a bandana and not getting into a bike accident. It is an extremely contagious aerosolized virus that cloth masks simply aren't sufficient to stop.

Meanwhile, the effects of perpetual masking are obvious- harmful to deaf people, harmful to the development of speech and socialization in children, asthmatics and more.

Re: The case against masks at school

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An interesting article. I was recently unimpressed by the new Virginia governor's first action to reaching the mandate on masks in schools. My county has elected to retain its own mask mandate.

At first blush a mask mandate is generally a public good. I keep my germs to myself, you keep yours too yourself, and we don't get the flu, or a cold, or COVID, whatever. And so for me despite not living wearing a mask I have been happy to anytime I'm near others.

The article makes a decent case that, at least for kids in schools, the science to support the utility of masks just isn't there. At first I found this surprising - how could it not be? At least it should help. But kids are in school, together, for 6+ hours a day. I barely wear my mask properly for two hours at a time and I understand how they work. Kids don't care, they're just doing what they're told, cargo cult style. Of course they won't be written perfectly, which reduces their effectiveness. But the idea that they don't help at all, or at least statistically so, is astonishing.

And the article provides evidence of that, cutting neighboring counties in Tennessee with similar vaccination rates where one had a 23% lower making rate, but similar spread. How can that be? Truly fascinating.

Much as we've seen the downside of forced closures and lockdowns, this article reminds us that there may be downsides for kids and masks. I wasn't open to this possibility previously. What could be the downside to putting on a mask? And the answer is, we just don't know. How can we follow the science if we don't have any research?

I continue to be glad to be a resident of the US, whose federalist system allows all these different jurisdictions to try different rules that may work better for them. It gives us a chance to study these differences and learn from them.

Really thought provoking article. While I wait for more studies, guess I'll keep wearing this mask around people. Can't hurt, right? Probably.

Re: The case against masks at school

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The case against masks is quite trivial and generalizable across most industries. Today, a teacher now has two realistic options: a) self-isolate indefinitely, either teaching remotely or quitting their job b) contract coronavirus at some point Given that, masks are an irrelevance. A teacher who is clinically vulnerable and unwilling to roll the dice is left only with the option to quit their job, regardless of wheth…

There is inconclusive evidence that children are vectors of transmission to teachers. At the very least it is the same as any public gathering. So your "options" would apply to every aspect of life, (Grocery store, restaurant, etc.)

Yes, hence my use of the term "generalizable".

Re: The case against masks at school

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The article talks a lot about how there's little or no evidence showing benefits of masking for kids, and also talks a lot about the unknown long-term effects of masking on kids. However, as with so many articles trying to make a point or persuade people, it barely mentions at all the unknown long-term effects of covid. I'm willing to be persuaded by evidence, but (for me) any piece that fails to address such an obvi…

If you have small children you know what joke masks are in school. Little kids are not responsible adults. They touch their face, take their masks on and off, exchange them with their friends and even eat them. Pretending that masks on young kids contribute anything to slowing the spread is complete wishful thinking.

I second this. The article mentions how dubious it is that kids can wear their masks properly. I’ll site my own son who routinely pulls his down below his mouth and nose. I can imagine the stress on teachers who have to keep up appearances that masks are being enforced while also watching the kids in their class do anything but keep them on in an effective manner.

Re: The case against masks at school

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But while it points out that the evidence for masks being effective is scarce, it does little to identify positive evidence that masks are specifically ineffective . So we just don't know as much as CDC's consistent guidelines seem to suggest, and it makes sense to weigh the risk. That the article neglects to frame it in this light highlights the one-sided nature.

There is plenty of evidence that masks work.

[citation needed] Studies that don't use a model or beg the question? The Danish one that shows 3% effectiveness? Or the Bangladesh one that shows 11%?

Re: The case against masks at school

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perhaps an unmask would be helpful: https://www.getunmask.com/

Wow. The market really does solve for every possible niche.

Their mention of air travel also makes me think of how the government brought in TSA checkpoints, but a company called Clear allows people to mostly bypass it for a fee. It would be nice if we didn't have these restrictions plus people finding ways to profit off of getting around them. Just get rid of both.
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