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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by vorpalhex »

I'm sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine what you are going through.

Obviously keep trying to reach Facebook. Whether you are successful or not, you need to get your community off of Facebook and onto something you can control, whether that is a forum or chat community.

Start trying to get in contact with other major members. Start giving out a URL to track community updates. Setup Discord[1] or Matrix or something for two way communication.

If you need some hosting or a domain, drop me a line and I'll see if I can help get you sorted.

[1] - Discord is only marginally better than Facebook and you risk the same problem here. Treat it like a temporary fix, not a solution.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by user_7832 »

dokem wrote: post #15
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

Construction is private and buildings don't fall down and are incredibly safe. Food production is private and people don't get spoiled or poisonous products. I think this is reductive.

Both have regulations written in blood, though. Lives have been lost which is why rules exist in these fields.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by tluyben2 »

bko wrote: post #10
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

You're assuming that public organizations would run a more secure responsive network. My interactions with public institutions makes me doubt this assumption, especially for something as vast and complicated as facebook's network.

But I can go to a desk and, talk to someone, and, eventually, possibly after a very long time, someone will act. With canned response AI private corps I don’t have this. Also, at least where I live, if you make more of a stink at the office of the public org in question, you get helped faster and often better.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by adventured »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11
emteycz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook page is not necessary communication. That's telephone and mobile networks. Healthcare is successfully managed by private companies all around the world - even in Europe (the funding is organized by law but still the hospitals are private companies and half of EU countries have private health insurance companies). The horrors of publicly managed social media were already tested here in Europe too and we never…

Social media is just a basic telecom utility service. Most of societal communication takes place on it. It’s fundamental enough that most individuals, businesses, celebrities, and government officials participate in it. I don’t understand the distinction you’re making - to me it seems fairly fundamental and it also seems like social media depends on network effects, which justifies regulating the biggest ones.

> Social media is just a basic telecom utility service.

No it's not, not even close. Facebook is very different from TikTok, Pinterest, Twitter, Reddit and Snapchat. They're quite obviously not some manner of the equivalent of an universal pipe or utility.

If your premise were correct, you'd be able to swap them out for eachother; you'd be able to just run TikTok on Facebook and nobody would care about the difference. Instead, none of them fulfills that premise of basic utility, none of them makes all of the other social media platforms possible or irrelevant (Facebook can't do what Pinterest does; Facebook can't actually do what TikTok does, even if it would like to; and everybody would notice if all the other social networks vanished, precisely because Facebook can't do what they do).

Facebook is less important thank people have been hyping it to be (for their own ideological agenda reasons). TikTok has more than demonstrated that, and the thriving nature of all the rest of the social media landscape has also nicely demonstrated that. In fact the only real problem is that Facebook owns Instagram, otherwise it'd be out there as another separate mega platform. Facebook also can't do what Instagram does, which is why they had to buy them and are terrified of having to spin it off (another case where Facebook is clearly not a utility).

Just because Facebook can potentially store the same bits that Instagram does, doesn't mean it can provide the same service (first of all, you can't get users to go along with that for all sorts of reasons). Those are two very different things. Otherwise Google would have successfully built a juggernaut social platform, instead of failing repeatedly at it.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by yumraj »

Probably not the advice you're looking for, but looks like you have a blog also and am assuming that some/many of your subscribers also look at your blog. So, you may want to use your blog to spread the word about losing your page so that your subscribers know what's happening and you don't lose many of them.

In addition, while you should keep looking at ways to recover your FB page, but you may want to take this opportunity to create a more traditional forum of your own.

You may want to look at AVSForum.com, Home-Barista.com and others for ideas on how to structure very successful traditional review/forum sites and while it may be more effort initially as you'll have to build it yourself, in the long run it may be more fruitful for you.

Either ways, Good Luck!!

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by vorpalhex »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11
emteycz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook page is not necessary communication. That's telephone and mobile networks. Healthcare is successfully managed by private companies all around the world - even in Europe (the funding is organized by law but still the hospitals are private companies and half of EU countries have private health insurance companies). The horrors of publicly managed social media were already tested here in Europe too and we never…

Social media is just a basic telecom utility service. Most of societal communication takes place on it. It’s fundamental enough that most individuals, businesses, celebrities, and government officials participate in it. I don’t understand the distinction you’re making - to me it seems fairly fundamental and it also seems like social media depends on network effects, which justifies regulating the biggest ones.

Most individuals and celebrities also eat sushi, but that doesn't make sushi a "fundamental right".

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11
emteycz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook page is not necessary communication. That's telephone and mobile networks. Healthcare is successfully managed by private companies all around the world - even in Europe (the funding is organized by law but still the hospitals are private companies and half of EU countries have private health insurance companies). The horrors of publicly managed social media were already tested here in Europe too and we never…

Social media is just a basic telecom utility service. Most of societal communication takes place on it. It’s fundamental enough that most individuals, businesses, celebrities, and government officials participate in it. I don’t understand the distinction you’re making - to me it seems fairly fundamental and it also seems like social media depends on network effects, which justifies regulating the biggest ones.

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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by cousin_it »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

It's not about private companies. I have an account at a private bank and am not afraid of something like this happening at all. Because to the bank I'm not just an abstract "username and password": the account is tied to my real world identity, so in the last resort I'll prove to the bank that I'm me using state provided means. I'm getting more and more convinced that online accounts important to people's livelihood (like gmail where you have tons of important stuff) should work the same way, as a contract tied to your real world identity, and in doubt resolve things by webcam call or personal appointment.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by chrisBob »

dokem wrote: post #15
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

Construction is private and buildings don't fall down and are incredibly safe. Food production is private and people don't get spoiled or poisonous products. I think this is reductive.

Construction and food are great examples of how the government keeps us safe. Building codes and food regulations are wonderful things.
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